Topic: A new Lexus 'F' - as in 'faaast'

[wing]

Damn copy cats! 

[Mitlov]

You may not like my views on the imports but I don't care as I am entiled to them as they are my views.

Well, you're entitled to your views, but you need to be able to defend them.  You said every single import was a copy of a domestic.  I asked you to state which domestics are the basis of the following cars:

BMW 3-Series

Volkswagen GTI

Mazda RX-8

Subaru WRX STi/Mitsubishi Lancer EVO

Please either state which domestic cars these cars copied, or retract your statement that "I have never seen a Import yet that hasen't copied someone elses car period that was built in North America."

[mmret]

Damn copy cats! 

Thats the wing off a Civic!

Damn copycats.

[barrie1]

If you haven't been looking at vehicles since the 50's then you would never understand why i said all of them as they all have been copied numerous times in the past. Look at the Nash Metroploitan which was built in the 50's as a example for the smaller compact size being copied in North America. Boy you took the whole hook line and sinker as well aye. Looks like a 1969 Dodge Daytona Wing to me with a Jeep headlight system on the front end as well as the Rolls grill. 

[ovr50]

A Chev small block does not need 2 or more camshafts unlike some of the designs to produce lots of pony power at all and it never has needed all the extra parts either. You may not like my views on the imports but I don't care as I am entiled to them as they are my views. Thats partly what discussion is about as well. The Lexus vehicles I see around my area all start to rust around the trunk lids and doglegs on them in my area we use a lot of salt possibly unlike your area which may not use that much of any. If you look back far enough in car design you would see the copying which has been going on for years and its always been the imports of copy the Detroit 3. This has been going on since the late 50's when certain brands started entering our sales market here.  

Well, I've been around cars since the 50s and I say that while some of the imports copied US design and technology, many did not. Mitlov's list is a good one, those vehicles and others are not copied from any US vehicle. Hell, they all have 4 wheels, one at each corner, and an engine somewhere (which US car did the original VW Beetle copy with it's rear engine??). Past that, look at cars from Italy (Ferrari, Lambo), look at Porsche (copied what car in the US with the original 911 back in the 60s??). The Japanese initially were great copiers until they got their own designs set. I would say the current Caddy CTS is a copy of German cars - particularily in the area of performance equipment. GM admits it's target is BMW and Benz.

I like American cars as well as the next guy, and better than many on here, but you're smoking funny cigarettes on this one, Barrie.

 

[Mitlov]

 

So the Nash Metropolitan is the origin of hot hatches (GTI) AND compact luxury sport sedans (3-Series) AND rally cars (STI and EVO)?  That's awesome.

I also didn't realize that the Metropolitan used a Wankel rotary.

[AVToller]

The early Japanese cars primarily copied British designs, not American!!

[barrie1]

No you are changing what was stated as I only stated about the sizing of the vehicle so don't go crazy here and try to rediscover the world as thats not right at all. The very 1st cars built by Henry Ford were rear engined and the front wheel drive setup was used as early as 1931 by Henry as well in a limited format. They were built in Detroit and used for some forms of racing back then if you read the history of them. The flathead engine was used as the power unit in them. Henry did not invent the car as we know it but did instead invent the assembly line. Accesseries like the electric starter,car radio and many more were invented by Cadillac back in the 20's-30's so they have all been copied by the imports for many reasons as well as design of them as well. VW was not the 1st rear engined vehicle ever built either as they were built in North America long before VW was even thought of.  Even Mr Benz who invented his vehicle around 1897 or so was rear wheel drive as well. 

[Mitlov]

EDIT:  Removed because I missed a point that ovr50 made and thus misunderstood barrie's response.

[Mitlov]

The very 1st cars built by Henry Ford were rear engined and the front wheel drive setup was used as early as 1931 by Henry as well in a limited format.

 

The Model T had a front-mounted, 177 in³ (2.9 L) four-cylinder en bloc motor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_T#Engine_and_means_of_starting

[ovr50]

No you are changing what was stated as I only stated about the sizing of the vehicle so don't go crazy here and try to rediscover the world as thats not right at all. The very 1st cars built by Henry Ford were rear engined and the front wheel drive setup was used as early as 1931 by Henry as well in a limited format. They were built in Detroit and used for some forms of racing back then if you read the history of them. The flathead engine was used as the power unit in them. Henry did not invent the car as we know it but did instead invent the assembly line. Acceries like the electric starter,car radio and many more were invented by Cadillac back in the 20's-30's so they have all been copied by the imports for many reasons as well as design of them as well. VW was not the 1st rear engined vehicle ever built either as they were built in North America long before VW was even thought of.  

So you are saying that the VW Beetle (which was designed by Ferry Porsche at the request (IIRC) of Hitler) was a copy of Henry Ford's early 1900s rear engined auto-buggy?? As I already said, they all had 4 wheels and an engine somewhere. Actually they are all copies of Daimler and Benz's first "cars" in Germany. Long before Henry Ford and other tinkerers in the US (Duryea, Olds, etc etc) came up with it, the Germans were there. So, the entire US auto industry is a copy. I've never seen a domestic that wasn't copied from a German car. 

BTW, living on fading memories of what used to be is an old man's trick, move on. 

[dorin]

I only stated about the sizing of the vehicle

See everyone, Barrie only said that if a non-North American badged is the same general size as a past North American badged car then it's a copy.

[Mitlov]

I only stated about the sizing of the vehicle

See everyone, Barrie only said that if a non-North American badged is the same general size as a past North American badged car then it's a copy.

Not to mention, according to Barrie's revised argument, nobody made small cars until the Nash Metropolitan.

[barrie1]

Dorin is that the best you can think of? You come here late and then attack someone when you have not been involved in the discussion at all. Do you really know anything about the history of the automobile at all? To do this just shows a very low level of Maturity on your part which you have done to others on here before as well. At least I know the history and have worked in this field for many years, have you with your big yap?  Since you want to throw cheap comments remember 2 can play the same game from now on as well.           

[wing]

Locky locky....