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'07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« on: November 28, 2006, 01:55:07 pm »
Okay guys, help me decide:

I was pretty much settled on the ’07 Altima 3.5 SE with 6sp. Manual transmission to replace my 2001 Maxima AE 5sp.  I am basically looking for a sporty sedan with decent interior room that is available with a real honest-to-goodness manual transmission – the kind with three actual pedals on the floor.  “Fun to drive” is rather high on the prioty list.  The budget ceiling is CDN$40k list, which takes the likes of the BMW 3 series, Infiniti G35, Audi A4 and Acura TL off the table.  (My pick from that group is the G).

Cars eliminated along the way:

Maxima SE – too big and bloated, too much torque steer.

Honda Accord SE: thoroughly excellent in all respects.  Thoroughly boring in all respects.

VW Passat 2.0T – Surprisingly strong engine, superb interior appointments.  Bar of soap exterior styling and iffy reliability.

Acura TSX – Tight and tossable, sweet shifter, great handling.  Small interior, not enough torque to wring out a wet dish rag.

Then I went and drove the Mazdaspeed 6.  Great googly-moogly, what a sweet ride.

Here’s how they are stacking up for me so far:

EXTERIOR:

Styling is subjective, of course, but I give the nod to the Altima here.  I really like the redesign and think it a substantial improvement on the somewhat chunky previous generation. I have always liked the look of the Mazda 6 – a taught, clean design.  It looks best in the Mazdaspeed version, with its restrained performance-oriented styling cues.  But the basic look has been around for a couple years and is starting to look a touch dated to my eyes.

INTERIOR:

A bit of a push.  Interior space / comfort goes to the Altima.  Its freakin’ huge trunk will serve well for airport trips and golf excursions.  Style points go to the Mazda, with an available two tone leather package that really livens things up some from the usual Japan Inc. ho-hum.

ENGINE / TRANSMISSION:

The numerous accolades heaped upon the Nissan VQ are richly deserved.  This is one STRONG motor that revs with eager smoothness, delivering a satisfying (if subdued) forward rush.  The 6 sp. stick is, well, just okay.  It’s definitely on the notchy side, though well short of the proverbial baseball bat in a barrel of coconuts feel.  Throws are shorter than in my Max., which is good.  Clutch is light and easy to modulate.  Nissan has done a phenomenal job in eliminating the dreaded toque steer that plagues so many other powerful FWD cars.  The six cylider sings a sweet song, but for the most part you don’t really hear it.

The 2.3l intercooled turbo 4 in the Mazda is an absolute hellion.  And I mean that in a good way.  This thing is fierce.  Anything north of 3k on the tach and the car just LEAPS forward on a tidal wave of torque (as in 280 lb./ft, peaking at a low 3k).  The numbers are probably only slightly better than the Altima, but this thing really feels FAST.  I have never experienced 6th gear acceleration like this before.  The shifter has just about perfect weight and feel and short throws  – another pleasant surprise.  The clutch is a little more – I dunno – touchy?  Smooth engagement requires a more precision.  There is a strong raspy exhaust note under hard acceleration, but I found the engine fairly unobtrusive in normal cruising and just about dead silent at idle.

RIDE / HANDLING:

No brainer here.  Ride goes to the Altima.  Firmish, but well damped.  A pretty good compromise for an everyday driver with sporty aspirations.  The Mazda – there is no “ish” to the firmness of the ride.  It is real stiff.  Not punishing, but headed in that direction.  Handling – a no contest win for the Mazda, which will run circles around the Altima all day every day.  The dedicated sport suspension, low profile 18in. rubber and AWD make this car feel quite literally glued to the road.  And there is never any problem getting the power to the ground – the 4wd takes care of that.

FUEL ECONOMY:

It’s not often that a 6 cyl. engine kicks 4 cyl. buttski when it comes to fuel economy, but the Atli takes the prize here. 30 mpg highway versus 26 is a substantial difference.  The high thirst combined with its smallish tank really limits the range of the Mazda.  Probably the biggest downside to me.

PRICE / RESALE.

They are pretty comparable when similarly equipped (though two safety features: AWD and HID headlights are not available on the Altima).  But the Mazda comes out clearly ahead because their dealer is so very ready to move on price and the Nissan dealer so does not want to hear about it.  I am guessing that the Alti will have stronger resale simply because it targets a much larger pool of potential buyers.

Okay.  That’s it.  Any thoughts?  Anything I am failing to take into consideration? Any vehicles I have completely overlooked?

Thanks,

Jaeger





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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 02:07:56 pm »
I love the Mazda 2.3L Turbo ... smooth and torquey ... The V6 in dad's I35 is somewhat similar in tuning to that in the Altima, and doesn't feel nearly as 'kick as$' as the Mazda.

For me, I will take the MSP6. On demand AWD is way better than torque steer FWD ... IMO. Fuel mileage in the CX-7 with the same engine and much heavier is acceptable to me.  :)

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 02:16:17 pm »
If you're concerned about trunk space I don't think the seats in the 6 fold down due to a crossmember added for stiffness. Maybe someone who has one can correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I like my 6 for being sporty, quick enough and lots of room with the hatch.
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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2006, 02:42:55 pm »
Initial_D - there really is no discernabe torque steer on the new Altima.  Surprising, but true.

The Fuzz - you are correct about the non-folding rear seats on the Mazda.

Thank you both,

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2006, 02:46:10 pm »
If you're concerned about trunk space I don't think the seats in the 6 fold down due to a crossmember added for stiffness. Maybe someone who has one can correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I like my 6 for being sporty, quick enough and lots of room with the hatch.

I was reading a post on www.mazda6club.com where they figured out how to fold the rear seats. 

My choice would definitely be a MS6.  We can't really predict the resale value, but I suspect that MS6 would edge out the Altima when it's time to sell the car in the future.

HID's and AWD?  Can't go wrong with that! 

As for fuel economy, it'll depend on how you drive the car.  ;)


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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2006, 02:51:19 pm »
Altima is too big for my needs. That car looks big on the outside! And yes, HIDs and AWD, can't go wrong with that.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2006, 02:53:40 pm »
Initial_D - there really is no discernabe torque steer on the new Altima.  Surprising, but true.

The Fuzz - you are correct about the non-folding rear seats on the Mazda.

Thank you both,

Jaeger

No Torque steer in the the Altima? Wow ....  :) ... have to go for a test drive.  ;D

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 02:54:34 pm »
To further, I'm not a fan of the Altima styling. I do like the 2007 (redesigned), but I wouldn't buy it.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 03:02:31 pm »
I was reading a post on www.mazda6club.com where they figured out how to fold the rear seats. 

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Oh for fack's sake. That's twice today I've been wrong. However, there's still some crossmembers in the way so it's not totally usable space.

http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?showtopic=43583

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2006, 03:04:34 pm »
 “Fun to drive” is rather high on the prioty list

The Mazda; it's obvious:   turbo, AWD, smaller body.

Not driven a 07 Altima SE, but it will be no different than an 07 Camry SE V6 sans 6 manual.  Both are somewhat fast, but so what. The traction control limits the torque steer in the Camry.  Should be the same in the Altima.  They are nice and capable, but not "fun".
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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2006, 03:09:30 pm »
Camry SE V6 has 6-speed manual?

“Fun to drive” is rather high on the prioty list

The Mazda; it's obvious:   turbo, AWD, smaller body.

Not driven a 07 Altima SE, but it will be no different than an 07 Camry SE V6 sans 6 manual.  Both are somewhat fast, but so what. The traction control limits the torque steer in the Camry.  Should be the same in the Altima.  They are nice and capable, but not "fun".

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2006, 03:13:23 pm »
I'd suspect the Mazda would win on resale. A 6spd Altima is a bit of a specialty item (limits your buyer pool). Sporty editions like the Mazdaspeed seem to hold their value very well in Canada - might take a little longer to sell but will get better money I suspect.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 03:21:43 pm »
Sans is the French equivalent of without.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 03:26:36 pm »
A 6spd Altima is a bit of a specialty item (limits your buyer pool

Big time.  Your going to take it hard on the resale.  Before when V6 Maximas were really quite compact cars, 90's and early Y2K, the manuals sold OK.  Not a big problem.  But manuals have taken a hit lately and Altimas are not the car you want one in today for depreciation purposes.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 03:31:11 pm »
Did you drive the Volvo S40 T5 AWD?

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 03:36:03 pm »
People are getting lazier these days and don't want to learn how to drive a manual.

A 6spd Altima is a bit of a specialty item (limits your buyer pool

Big time.  Your going to take it hard on the resale.  Before when V6 Maximas were really quite compact cars, 90's and early Y2K, the manuals sold OK.  Not a big problem.  But manuals have taken a hit lately and Altimas are not the car you want one in today for depreciation purposes.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 03:52:24 pm »
People are getting lazier these days and don't want to learn how to drive a manual.


Also factoring in the time sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic ... a normal 20Km drive could take over 1 hour sometimes ...  :-\ :-\

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 03:59:01 pm »
I have experienced bumper to bumper traffic on a highway before and I didn't enjoy it one bit. As my Legend's clutch is heavy, my foot was quite tired afterwards.

People are getting lazier these days and don't want to learn how to drive a manual.


Also factoring in the time sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic ... a normal 20Km drive could take over 1 hour sometimes ...  :-\ :-\

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 04:01:00 pm »
Sans is the French equivalent of without.

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Re: '07 Altima 3.5SE v. Mazdaspeed 6
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 05:22:01 pm »
I haven't driven the Volvo, but suspect that it might be a bit smallish for my needs.  I will give it a look, though.

I find sitting in bumper to bumper traffic to be extremely aggravating.  A stick shift does not, for me, make it that much more aggravating.  If you had a heavy clutch, that would definitely be a bother, but the clutch on my Max is not heavy, and neither are the ones in the Alti or Mazda.

Thanks for all the comments so far.  Not a lot of love for the Nissan to this point.  I am leaning toward the Mazda simply because I found the driving experience more enjoyable and engaging.  Talk about limited colour choice though - damn, I thought Honda was bad.  Black, grey or red - yikes.  And the two-tone leather is only available on the black.

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