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The real life of an autoworker
« on: November 28, 2006, 12:31:56 am »
Thought this made an interesting read, especially for AV Toller  ;D ;D ;D

http://www.allpar.com/ed/2003/autoworker.html

The real life of a Chrysler union autoworker


by Juan Sikora

Think for a minute about the average "UAW autoworker"... What do you visualize? Perhaps some fat, lazy slob who is paid $25 an hour to torque four screws every two minutes? Most likely, since that terrifyingly unfair stereotype of the drunken, lazy bum who whines about everything has existed for decades. I'll be the first to admit that these kind of workers do indeed exist, but they exist everywhere, not just in the auto industry. But the truth of the matter is that they are few and far between nowadays, partly because the workforce is beginning to skew to a much younger age as the older workers retire.

Truthfully, the vast majority of people that I have worked with are drastically different than that awful stereotype described above. We are a very dedicated force of hard workers who struggle endlessly to do the best job we can do. We face the constant onslaught of job cuts, outsourcing and plant closings, causing us to endure frequent layoffs and getting us yanked from plant to plant while losing our seniority. We fight an uphill battle to build the best quality vehicle we can against nonstop changes that impact our job. We are always seeing the workforce trimmed down and thus having more operations added to our job. The line speeds keep getting faster and faster, giving us less time to do even more work. Our jobs are constantly "time studied" to see how much more work they can add to each job in hopes of cutting a few hundred more jobs in the plant. The engineers who devise our operations never have to actually do them, and no "flunky" line worker is ever going to convince them that it's messed up. So what if we tear out our tendons or endure stress fractures from trying to do some screwed up operation that some industrial engineer came up with? It's not their problem now is it?

Management exists for two purposes... to cut jobs and fire a worker whenever possible. Most of these managers have never worked a day of manual labor in their lives, and God only knows where they find some of them. They don't care about anything except making their number for the day. God forbid the corporation actually used the skills and experience that their employees posess, because that might make them look bad. No, we're simply human robots. We're not allowed to have feelings, dignity or any kind of common sense. And personal problems?? Leave it at the door, buddy!

I think back to the days growing up with a father working in the auto industry. My mother didn't have to work. We owned our home and cars outright and never had bill collectors calling to bother us. But it's not like that today. To have anything to show for the gruelling work we suffer through means we have to be in debt up to our eyelids. We get squeezed from every direction by steadily increasing prices for products and services of rapidly declining quality. Durable goods used to be designed to last a lifetime; now, we're lucky if they're still in usable condition when they're finally paid off. I used to think that having a job that paid $25 an hour with benefits pretty much meant you were set for life. Haha... I sure got a swift kick from reality there, huh? Nowdays, it's hardly enough to raise a small family on without having a wife that works 40 hours a week as well.

We have the UAW to thank for the wages and benefits we have today. But it seems that the UAW officials are more interested in lining their own pockets on their way out than actually preserving any of our jobs. We're constantly jerked around with their stock answers like "I'll look into it" or "I'll know something by Monday." They allow corporate to outsource the core out of the company and eliminate union jobs in the process, while looking the other way. For every one "good" thing we're asked to vote for there seems to be ten "bad" consessions attached to that no one felt we needed to know about until after the vote. We're constantly getting "lean" manufacturing shoved down our throats and end up getting even more work dumped on our already overcycled jobs, just because Toyota can build a car faster. Well, what difference does it make how fast we build it if it's going to be in the repair shop more than it's on the road?

The union seems to just ignore all the overcycling and staffing cuts even though it puts our UAW brothers and sisters on the streets. They happily allow corporate to impose draconian rules upon the workforce so they can exercise more ways to fire us.

What amazes me is this: if Chrysler does finally manage get just the right loophole wiggled into the next contract that allows them to blow the UAW out once and for all, it's going to affect even the retirees and high seniority union officials. But they seem perfectly content to deny us the things that some of our UAW brothers and sisters have fought for with their very lives to earn. They need to remember that someday, it's going to be them begging us to negotiate some retiree's benefit on their behalf. Do they think we're going to forget that it was them who allowed corporate to outsource us right out the door? I think not. What comes around, goes around. Someday, they're going to realize they cut their own throat persuing their greed.

As if we needed more problems to deal with, corporate seems to be executing a skillful plan to undermine the solidarity and unity of our union brothers and sisters. Many of my coworkers see what is happening in the union, but are scared to do or say anything about it because they have allowed themselves to be intimidated by the threat of losing their job or some other retaliation. "Well, if we say anything about it, we'll be the first one fired..." Okay... so just let it fall apart and do nothing! If that's the case, then you have no right to whine about how things are, so just shut up and go bend over like good little sheeple. As for me, I'd rather get fired for fighting to regain lost unity and integrity in the union than simply letting it run the ship into the rocks. Either way, I'm on the street, so I might as well go down fighting.

THE UAW MUST BEGIN TO FIGHT ON BEHALF OF ITS WORKERS AGAIN OR WE'LL ALL BECOME EXTINCT, "UNION OFFICIALS" INCLUDED!

Last, I have to say that there is one thing that I find to be incredibly demoralizing and insulting... that is when people say that autoworkers are "overpaid slobs" and even say such absurd things like we deserve to lose our jobs. Excuse me??? Some sleazebag CEO can rape a company for a year and bail out with a multimillion-dollar "severance package" yet I'm overpaid at $45k a year?? Some thug-wannabe can grab his privates and cuss into a microphone and make millions of dollars a year, yet I'm overpaid?? Some punk can make millions playing athlete in "pro wrestling" but I'm overpaid for doing an honest day's labor??

I don't know if you feel that way because you have no skills and work for $6 an hour or whether you've lost touch with reality and feel anyone without a Master's degree and seven-figure annual salary is human garbage, but simply put... YOU'RE OUT TO LUNCH! My wages are barely enough to raise a family on in this day and age. I can't honestly comprehend how anyone can raise a family on any less than that. Thank God for the medical benefits, or we'd be $90k in debt because of the heart attack I had while working on the line two years ago! I honestly pity those fellow human beings who are struggling and suffering in the non-union shops for less pay and benefits. I don't know how they can survive, because I've been there before myself.

Before you start jumping to conclusions, let me just say that we don't live an extravagant lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination. You'll find no mall-rat materialism and expensive indulgences around this house, buddy! There's definitely no Caviar in our refrigerator... We rent a modest apartment, we have no yacht, snowmobiles, or big screen TV, and we drive 12 year old vehicles. I don't do drugs, I hardly ever drink, and I don't hang out in stripclubs. Yet, we're on the verge of bankruptcy just trying to live day to day... and you think autoworkers make too much. Until you have worked on the assembly line yourself, you have absolutely no right to tell me I'm overpaid. I have just as much right to earn a decent living wage as you do, regardless of what kind of work I do to earn it.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2006, 12:34:07 am by ottoworker »
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2006, 12:51:45 am »
Thought this made an interesting read, especially for AV Toller  ;D ;D ;D

 ??? ??? ??? Why in the world would you think this would be of any particular interest to me?  ??? ???
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2006, 01:30:51 am »
Whilst I sympathise with any hard working person that is treated like garbage, this seems like over-emotional pap to me..

Thought this made an interesting read, especially for AV Toller  ;D ;D ;D

http://www.allpar.com/ed/2003/autoworker.html

The real life of a Chrysler union autoworker


by Juan Sikora

Think for a minute about the average "UAW autoworker"... What do you visualize? Perhaps some fat, lazy slob who is paid $25 an hour to torque four screws every two minutes? Most likely, since that terrifyingly unfair stereotype of the drunken, lazy bum who whines about everything has existed for decades.

I agree, generalisation and stereotyping just damage everyone's reputation.

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Management exists for two purposes... to cut jobs and fire a worker whenever possible.

Err...  ::) ::) ::)

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What comes around, goes around. Someday, they're going to realize they cut their own throat persuing their greed.

Have to agree there.

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Thank God for the medical benefits

Whilst I agree with the principle, that's why the domestics are losing money on every car they sell...

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to stay with a bad employer, I have moved employers, cities, heck even countries to move jobs before, and if an employer treated me like sh!t then I would do it again.  I know some of these firms are the only major employer in the area but still, you don't have to work there your whole life and be treated badly just because of that.
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2006, 07:30:29 am »
I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph of whining. 
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2006, 07:35:47 am »
"What I don't understand is why people feel the need to stay with a bad employer, I have moved employers, cities, heck even countries to move jobs before, and if an employer treated me like sh!t then I would do it again.  I know some of these firms are the only major employer in the area but still, you don't have to work there your whole life and be treated badly just because of that.
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2006, 07:44:17 am »
I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph of whining. 

Coming from you , that's no surprise. ::) ???

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2006, 07:46:51 am »
"What I don't understand is why people feel the need to stay with a bad employer, I have moved employers, cities, heck even countries to move jobs before, and if an employer treated me like sh!t then I would do it again.  I know some of these firms are the only major employer in the area but still, you don't have to work there your whole life and be treated badly just because of that.
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Its not just that easy, things are a little different for people who don't have a college or university education.

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2006, 07:50:14 am »
I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph of whining. 

Same here.
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2006, 07:51:39 am »
Would you like cheese with that whine?

This isn't a day in the life of, it's a pointless whinging rant.

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2006, 07:56:27 am »
Management exists for two purposes... to cut jobs and fire a worker whenever possible.

What unmitigated crap. Why would anyone who wanted to be taken seriously write that?

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2006, 08:17:23 am »
What a load of dribble ::) ::)

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2006, 08:23:11 am »
Management exists for two purposes... to cut jobs and fire a worker whenever possible. Most of these managers have never worked a day of manual labor in their lives, and God only knows where they find some of them. They don't care about anything except making their number for the day.

Right about now is where I realized that this was going to be a fair and balanced report... ::)

And only 25 bucks an hour? When I lived in my old place I found a paystub from a Ford employee while I was cleaning out the ravine behind my place. He made 4 bucks an hour more than I do. That made me ill.
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 08:52:38 am »
I stopped reading after the 2nd paragraph of whining. 

I stopped reading when I got to the first spelling mistake.

Pointless pap.  Then again, it's an opinion piece, not serious journalism.


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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 09:05:18 am »
Same. I don't see the connection to Avt either.

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 09:15:36 am »
I think he confused AVToller for articsteve.
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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2006, 09:28:25 am »
I'm touched.  Such a hard life these autoworkers must endure....I'm amazed half of them don't quit to find a job in better paying/working condition industries.  It's all about choices, to either do something about it, or deal with it.

How is this different from any other individual complaining about their job.  Nobody appreciates me.  Nobody utilizes me to my maximum potential.  I can do a better job than my boss.  Those managers sit around do nothing all day while us workers are what keeps the company running.  I'm underpaid.  They're overpaid.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2006, 10:02:15 am »
Ford workers are happier.  Go over there..

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2006, 10:27:01 am »
While I agree with most of the above that it's just a whiny article with no real substance (which is unfortunate as I started reading with great interest) it does make me sad that some people, for whatever reason, have handcuffed themselves to their jobs. 

I've seen it in non union white collar jobs too where individuals are somewhat overpaid for their work and have increased their living standards to their current pay level vs. a realistic "long term" income level and then are scared to death about upcoming layoffs.  It wrecks havoc on their lives and it's sad to see.

I have been blessed to have seen this all in my early 20's in the oil patch when layoffs were a quarterly event and, when "they finally came for me"  :o  I was ready (had already sold the new car, cut my unnecessary expenses, etc.) and got a crap load of severance cash  ;D  but it was still very difficult to take  :-\
HOWEVER I learned one of my biggest and best lessons - to never be tied to my job.  From then on I've lived below my means and stashed enough cash that I could, at any time, quit or be fired or laid off and not be unduely affected.   

I don't know about others but even though my current job is somewhat secure I'm always keeping an eye out for what the market is like (IE are jobs that use my skills increasing or decreasing) and what the trends are so I know when to start making a change. 

That said... I really would like to know what a day in the life of an auto worker is factually like and what the low, average, high compensation/benefits are.

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2006, 10:35:36 am »
"HOWEVER I learned one of my biggest and best lessons - to never be tied to my job.  From then on I've lived below my means and stashed enough cash that I could, at any time, quit or be fired or laid off and not be unduely affected.   

I don't know about others but even though my current job is somewhat secure I'm always keeping an eye out for what the market is like (IE are jobs that use my skills increasing or decreasing) and what the trends are so I know when to start making a change. 

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It always amazes me the number of people who just do not learn BOTH of those lessons...the first one being the most important as you have to live if you are fired. The second one is more difficult especially for people who do not have a trade, profession or an education.... but not impossible...just look at the people who find a second career after layoffs or retirement.

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Re: The real life of an autoworker
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2006, 10:43:35 am »
Man does this ever chap my ass!  "Just barely surviving" on the pittance they earn?  Puh-lease!  I know Toyota is no Chrysler, but my friend working on the line at Toyota in Cambridge made damn-near $70k two years ago.  In his early 20s and making that kind of money?  So... graduate high school at 18 years old... go work for a car company.  Start earning at LEAST $50k a year from 18 onward... and crying poverty?!  He NEVER claimed to be underpaid, that's for sure.  In fact, he IS educated, but loves cars and decided the pay was so good, he might as well earn some big bucks for a few young years while he figured out what else he wanted to do.  

Even the $45k/yr the writer bitches about is more than either my wife or I started at after university while trying to pay down student loans!  Extravagance?!  Not in my household either, buddy!

Try paying off a DOZEN years of post-secondary education between my wife and I.  Not only did we not have the years of 18-25+ (7 years x $50k+ year) of earning power lost, but we incurred student debts during those years too.  Does an increased cost of living (ie. housing, food, whatever costs) referenced in the opinionated whining only apply to UAW workers?  NO!  

Another two acquaintances of mine work (or have worked) at Ford in Oakville.  12 year old, beaten down cars?  Ha!  Not one of 'em.  Always a new F150, Mustang or whatever sweet company machine they chose.  Neither of them are hurting for money one bit.  

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