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Electronic Stability Control system was a mandatory requirement to make their list this year, either as standard or optional equipment.

reference: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20061121/import_models_061121/20061121?hub=TopStories


Here is the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) list of the 13 safest models for 2007:

Large car

    * Audi A6 (manufactured in December 2006 and later)

Midsize cars

    * Audi A4
    * Saab 9-3
    * Subaru Legacy (equipped with optional electronic stability control)

Minivans

    * Hyundai Entourage
    * Kia Sedona

Luxury SUVs

    * Mercedes M class
    * Volvo XC90

Midsize SUVs

    * Acura RDX
    * Honda Pilot
    * Subaru B9 Tribeca

Small SUVs

    * Honda CR-V
    * Subaru Forester (equipped with optional electronic stability control)

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 12:19:51 am »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 01:15:37 am »
The stability control requirement knocked some domestics off the list.  I remember the Chevy Malibu and Ford Five Hundred were up there for 2006.  There may have been others that I don't remember.

Stability control isn't available on 2.5i Legacies (at least in the States) and is only optional even on GTs, so the IIHS should make more clear that only a very limited number of models make the list.  Also, as far as I can tell, the Forester doesn't have stability control available, at least based on the 2007 Forester on Subaru's US webpage.  They should take it off the list too.
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 05:39:54 am »
The stability control requirement knocked some domestics off the list.  I remember the Chevy Malibu and Ford Five Hundred were up there for 2006.  There may have been others that I don't remember.

Stability control isn't available on 2.5i Legacies (at least in the States) and is only optional even on GTs, so the IIHS should make more clear that only a very limited number of models make the list.  Also, as far as I can tell, the Forester doesn't have stability control available, at least based on the 2007 Forester on Subaru's US webpage.  They should take it off the list too.

I didn't understand the Forester selection either based on the US website. And not only is the availability in US optional, but it's also only packaged with the Nav system on Limited Sedan GT Legacys... I guess Subaru anticipates a lot of distracted drivers by the Nav and making emergency maneuvers?  ::)

In any case, US consumers fares better than Canadians as the ESC here is available only on the Spec.B model...

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2006, 06:01:01 am »
Saab is a domestic brand... 

Demosthenes, do you really think the Engineers who used to design fighter planes,  but now designing earth-bound vehicles are US folks?  ;)

Besides, following this kind logic, so would be Volvo and Jaguar, and if you even stretch a little you could call Mazda a domestic brand too...

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2006, 07:32:30 am »
I suspect that all those real SAAB engineers "took the package"  as soon as real SAABs became  badge engineered  Opels and Subarus and are now all working  somewhere else or they went back to SAAB aerospace
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2006, 10:22:58 am »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

The Legacy in that list is more domestic than the Saabs.  At least that Subie is built in Indiana... as far as I know, no Saabs are yet built in N.America.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2006, 10:55:24 am »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

The Legacy in that list is more domestic than the Saabs.  At least that Subie is built in Indiana... as far as I know, no Saabs are yet built in N.America.

Lest we forget the worthy 9-7X?  :rofl:
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2006, 11:19:45 am »
Hmm. No Toyota's either. Is Toyota still offering ABS as an option on most models?

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2006, 11:26:07 am »
I posted the same question here.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,49453.0.html

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2006, 11:29:42 am »
Isn't the Mercedes M class built in the US? Also the Honda Pilot? These would be domestics right? ;)

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2006, 12:13:19 pm »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

The Legacy in that list is more domestic than the Saabs.  At least that Subie is built in Indiana... as far as I know, no Saabs are yet built in N.America.

::)

We're all aware that lots of the "imports" are built in North America.  But good on you for pointing that out again, just in case we all forgot.   ::)

Saab is a recognizable subsidiary of GM, sold alongside Saturn on some GM lots.  It's a substantially different situation from Ford/Volvo/Jaguar/Mazda.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2006, 12:41:52 pm »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

The Legacy in that list is more domestic than the Saabs.  At least that Subie is built in Indiana... as far as I know, no Saabs are yet built in N.America.

::)

We're all aware that lots of the "imports" are built in North America.  But good on you for pointing that out again, just in case we all forgot.   ::)

Saab is a recognizable subsidiary of GM, sold alongside Saturn on some GM lots.  It's a substantially different situation from Ford/Volvo/Jaguar/Mazda.

Yes but the title of the thread says "IMPORTED" models won all 13.....

The M class is NOT imported
The Pilot is NOT imported

I am sure there are others on the list.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2006, 12:55:11 pm »
Since there is always this argument about what vehicles are "domestic" vs "imported", it might be a better title to say "non-domestic models won..". The line between "imported" and "domestic" is getting fuzzier all the time.
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2006, 01:04:03 pm »
The more I look into this story the more holes I find. The "awards" mean nothing as they have not tested every 2007 model.

Where is the new Passat? It seems to rate good in every catagory and has ESP but it is not on the list?


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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006, 02:33:16 pm »
Since there is always this argument about what vehicles are "domestic" vs "imported", it might be a better title to say "non-domestic models won..". The line between "imported" and "domestic" is getting fuzzier all the time.

Perhaps it would be more appropriate to say domestic and foreign brands...
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2006, 02:44:18 pm »
Saab is a domestic brand...  but one out of 13 slots still isn't a very impressive showing.

The Legacy in that list is more domestic than the Saabs.  At least that Subie is built in Indiana... as far as I know, no Saabs are yet built in N.America.

::)

We're all aware that lots of the "imports" are built in North America.  But good on you for pointing that out again, just in case we all forgot.   ::)

Saab is a recognizable subsidiary of GM, sold alongside Saturn on some GM lots.  It's a substantially different situation from Ford/Volvo/Jaguar/Mazda.

You seem to have some sort of eye-related tick, there Demo... You should probably get that checked out. 

Since I'm clearly not as well-versed as you in these areas, please enlighten me on how it is so different with Saab to GM versus, say... Aston Martin to Ford (where, when you search the site, it says "The division of Ford Motor Company" right in the Google line.

My point is that because the Saab products (9-7x notwithstanding -- good catch SirAqua) are designed, engineered and built over-seas, it's not exactly reasonble to call the domestics any more than it is to call Chryslers Imports (from Germany) or call Nissans French.

Scaerio's right:  we should really be identifying them as being Import- or domestic-branded cars.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2006, 03:04:00 pm »
Where is the new Passat? It seems to rate good in every catagory and has ESP but it is not on the list?

I wondered what happened to Rabbit/Jetta/Passat/A3 too as in the US I believe they all have standard stability control. The IIHS.org web site has a 3 astrisk for rear impact with 'design changes have been made, to be tested in 2007'. VW dropped the active head restraint feature on cloth seats (maybe leatherette ones on Passat too? Not sure) for US 2007MY / rolling Cdn '07MY change. This likely explains it, but meanwhile the cars on the lot right now are not recognized. 

Only VW deletes safety features  ???

I look at domestic vs import as brand as well. Otherwise you'd go insane trying to categorize and classify. That said, as Saab is a wholly owned subsidiary of GM I would view them as import, but a part of GM, unlike Mazda which is 33.4% (or whatever) controlled by Ford. In Jaguars case... hmmmm... maybe I should go back to the brand thing.
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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2006, 03:06:21 pm »
GM's relationship with its subsidiaries differs from (say) Aston Martin/Ford greatly.  Aston Martins are not sold alongside Fusions at my local Ford store, whereas Saab is sold alongside Saturn.  My point was that Saab is a recognized domestic brand (as a subsidiary of General Motors), while other relationships (like Ford/Mazda) are not nearly so prominent.  Ford and Mazda each have their own isolated dealer network etc., and are for all intents and purposes different companies.  It is not uncommon to hear someone refer to a Pontiac/Chev/etc. as a "GM" - I have yet to hear someone call a Mazda or Volvo "a Ford".  Saab (and all of GM's holdings) are much more integrated into the main company, to the extent that we see massive rebadging of GM vehicles (like the Saab 9-7X).  So in talking about import vs. domestic brands, I would call Saab a domestic brand (although, admittedly, it begins to stretch that definition).  The thread titles does cite imported vehicles, though, so while technically correct, all of a sudden doesn't really say a lot about the manufacturers.

All said, pointing out that GM builds a lot of its cars overseas and Honda et al. build lots in North America on this forum is like pointing out that the sky is blue.

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Re: Imported models won all 13 top spots on the IIHS safest vehicle list
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2006, 03:22:18 pm »
GM's relationship with its subsidiaries differs from (say) Aston Martin/Ford greatly.  Aston Martins are not sold alongside Fusions at my local Ford store, whereas Saab is sold alongside Saturn.  My point was that Saab is a recognized domestic brand (as a subsidiary of General Motors), while other relationships (like Ford/Mazda) are not nearly so prominent.  Ford and Mazda each have their own isolated dealer network etc., and are for all intents and purposes different companies.  It is not uncommon to hear someone refer to a Pontiac/Chev/etc. as a "GM" - I have yet to hear someone call a Mazda or Volvo "a Ford".  Saab (and all of GM's holdings) are much more integrated into the main company, to the extent that we see massive rebadging of GM vehicles (like the Saab 9-7X).  So in talking about import vs. domestic brands, I would call Saab a domestic brand (although, admittedly, it begins to stretch that definition).  The thread titles does cite imported vehicles, though, so while technically correct, all of a sudden doesn't really say a lot about the manufacturers.

All said, pointing out that GM builds a lot of its cars overseas and Honda et al. build lots in North America on this forum is like pointing out that the sky is blue.

No offense to anyone but I consider Mazda to be domestic, in particular a Ford. It's the only "Japanese" car that does not have that look or feel of a Japanese car. Also, when you look at reliability ratings, it's alot lower than other Japanese brands.

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