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Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« on: October 27, 2006, 02:46:29 pm »
As Ford Motor Co. struggles with mounting losses worldwide, one bright spot remains: its Japanese Mazda Motor Corp. subsidiary.

Mazda posted a $40 million third-quarter profit to Ford's nearly $2 billion loss in North America. And while Ford as a whole continues to lose market share in the U.S., Mazda's sales are up 4 percent year-to-date.

Sales of its hot-selling MX-5 Miata are up 134 percent. Mazda is counting on a slew of new products -- including a new version of the popular roadster and two new crossover vehicles -- to keep that momentum going without trying to be a full-line manufacturer.

"There were times when we tried to be a lot of things to a lot of people and ended up being not a lot to anybody," said Jay Amestoy, vice president of public affairs for Mazda in North America.

If anything, Mazda's "problem now is that we just can't build enough" of certain vehicles. For example, Amestoy said, the company could sell more of its popular Mazda3 compacts if it could get more to dealers. Sales of the small car are actually down slightly year-over-year, but demand remains high and most stay on the lot for only about three weeks.

"Mazda probably needs more (factory) capacity outside Japan -- capacity in the right places," said Michael Robinet, vice president of global vehicle forecasts for CSM Worldwide. "But Mazda is almost Hondaesque in its cautious approach to increasing capacity or other major investments."

That is a desirable trait in an industry that is reeling from overcapacity issues in many parts of the world, most notably here in North America. Overproduction has forced most American brands to offer big incentives, but Mazda has never offered incentives on the Mazda3 in the three years it has been on the market.

Robinet says Mazda's turnaround is complete, but questioned whether it can be sustained. "They've done about as much as they can with their current portfolio," he said. "Continuing to bring out solid successors in the future will be a challenge."

Analyst Erich Merkle with IRN Inc. says DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler brand offers a cautionary tale for Mazda.

Like Mazda, Chrysler was able to turn itself around by providing exciting products that resonated with consumers. "Now, they've kind of fallen on their face," he said of Chrysler.

To avoid a similar fate, he says Mazda needs to maintain an unwavering focus on its core audience: younger buyers who are looking for high performance at a reasonable price, with a healthy dose of in-your-face styling thrown in.

"That's what it's all about for Mazda: giving people bang for their buck," Merkle said.

Sales of older Mazda's, like its bread-and-butter Mazda6 sedan, are beginning to slow, but the company is trying to keep the momentum going with two new crossover utility vehicles: the CX-7, which is already in showrooms, and the larger CX-9, which will go on sale in December.

Mazda's most important contribution to Ford is technology and platform engineering. In fact, most of Ford's newer vehicles -- including the Lincoln Zephyr sedan and Ford Edge -- are built on Mazda platforms.

"Mazda has proven to be a tremendously resourceful product-development house. Competing in Japan has forced them to be exceptionally scrappy and opportunistic. We need more of that in Ford," Ford Chairman Bill Ford Jr. told the Wall Street Journal Wednesday.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2006, 03:59:52 pm »
Surprised Mazda's not making more money than it is.
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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2006, 04:05:13 pm »
Last year Mazda pulled in 25.7B in gross revenues. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2006/snapshots/845.html If 40M is based on 25% of that then the money is better sitting in a bank making interest. I don’t see this as a good return on investment despite the sales number, or am I missing something.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2006, 07:32:28 pm »
Snowman,

No comment at all in the thread where Ford posts $6B loss this quarter, but you're critical of Mazda in the thread where they report posting a PROFIT this quarter?

Pro-domestic bias much?


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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2006, 07:36:22 pm »
Snowman,

No comment at all in the thread where Ford posts $6B loss this quarter, but you're critical of Mazda in the thread where they report posting a PROFIT this quarter?

Pro-domestic bias much?



 ??? I was commenting on the topic at hand. If this was a thread started to discuss the Ford loss than I would have commented on it.

I have no bias towards domestic automakers and never indicated that is any post, please elaborate.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2006, 07:42:16 pm »
Snowman,

No comment at all in the thread where Ford posts $6B loss this quarter, but you're critical of Mazda in the thread where they report posting a PROFIT this quarter?

Pro-domestic bias much?



 ??? I was commenting on the topic at hand. If this was a thread started to discuss the Ford loss than I would have commented on it.

I have no bias towards domestic automakers and never indicated that is any post, please elaborate.


OK. I viewed the 2 threads in a row, and for some reason it glared out at me.

Personally, I think it's great that at least SOME PART of the Ford conglomerate is making a profit.... from a business perspective.

From a car-fan perspective, I'd still only go for a Mazda from any of the families in the Ford umbrella... unless/until they engage in GM-style full rebadging (Vibe/Matrix). A cheaper MSP3 in Ford guise would be cool.



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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2006, 07:57:14 pm »
Because rebadging works so well for GM...   ::)

I wish we got the Euro Focus in North America...  built on the same platform as the 3, and what a car!

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2006, 08:02:00 pm »
Because rebadging works so well for GM...   ::)


Doesn't it? I thought people were slavering over the Vibe (during it's "heyday" at least...)

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2006, 08:10:32 pm »
Sorry, I didn't qualify that statement very well.  :)

I don't think rebadging within the same company is very sensible.  Toyota and Pontiac (or Subaru and Saab) are different companies, so while the Vibe and Matrix compete, Toyota is not losing money to itself.

When you're selling a car as a Chev and a Pontiac, it's still a GM, you're just doing twice as much work building/advertising/etc. two cars.

Though I admit, Mazda and Ford are perhaps not quite so interlinked as Chev and Pontiac.  I still think Ford and Mazda should offer distinct cars...  same platform, fine, but there should be something to make the Ford a Ford, and the Mazda a Mazda.

IMO.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2006, 08:31:23 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2006, 08:33:50 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

Give it time  ;D
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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 02:57:25 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

Since 1979 Ford’s ownership in Mazda has increased from 13% to 34%. Mazda was in trouble and needed guidance and cash from Ford in order to survive. Much like the relationship with Volvo the attitude has been one of laissez-faire vs. GM’s interference with its acquisitions.
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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 03:29:20 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

Since 1979 Ford’s ownership in Mazda has increased from 13% to 34%. Mazda was in trouble and needed guidance and cash from Ford in order to survive. Muck like the relationship with Volvo the attitude has been one of laissez-faire vs. GM’s interference with its acquisitions.

And the Laissez-faire attitude is one of the reasons why Volvo and Mazda are good for Ford IMO. If only GM could do the same with Saab.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 07:46:27 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

Since 1979 Ford’s ownership in Mazda has increased from 13% to 34%. Mazda was in trouble and needed guidance and cash from Ford in order to survive. Much like the relationship with Volvo the attitude has been one of laissez-faire vs. GM’s interference with its acquisitions.

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If it wouldn't be for Mazda and Volvo, Ford would likely be out of business within a couple of years.

I think one of the reasons why Mazda isn't making more profits is their sales success is limited to niche or less profitable vehicles. There is not that much profit to make in a small FWD (Mazda3). The Mazda6 was never a sales hit in the US (it baffles me but maybe it is too small for the $$$? ::))

Unfortunately, the CX-7 though a success in the press doesn't seem to sell that well (confirmed by the Mazda dealer I bought my Speed from). I really believe the CX-9 will be far more successful. I really wish it is for Mazda and Ford sakes...

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 03:03:07 pm »
Because rebadging works so well for GM...   ::)

I wish we got the Euro Focus in North America...  built on the same platform as the 3, and what a car!

According to Ford, we'll wait for 2010MY to see that happen... at least that's what they say today

Assuming they actually keep their word, who knows?

As to the 3, it's a nice car, but I don't need a hatch and the sedan styling doesn't do much for me :-\

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 03:44:32 pm »
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If it wouldn't be for Mazda and Volvo, Ford would likely be out of business within a couple of years. 

If it wasn't for Ford, neither Mazda or Volvo would have made it into 21st century.

Remember what POS cars Mazda used to make?

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2006, 04:41:57 pm »
remind me again why Mazda doesn't own Ford?

Because they are a miniscule company that makes little profit?

Neither Mazda or Volvo would exist today if Ford hadn't scooped them up and injected cash into them. I think both of them are more liabilities than assets as far as money goes for Ford, but they provide decent technology, so Ford keeps them around.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2006, 09:10:33 pm »
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If it wouldn't be for Mazda and Volvo, Ford would likely be out of business within a couple of years. 

If it wasn't for Ford, neither Mazda or Volvo would have made it into 21st century.

Remember what POS cars Mazda used to make?

Yet you still see an awful lot of Mazda 323s and 626s on the road.  Nevermind the RX-7s (on their umpteenth engine rebuild, of course :)).

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2006, 10:19:06 am »
Mazda lifts forecasts as second quarter profit jumps

Reuters / November 2, 2006 - 9:00 am
 
TOKYO -- Mazda Motor Corp. posted a 55 percent surge in quarterly operating profit today as a weak yen and sales expansion in the West offset slumping domestic demand, and it bumped up its annual forecasts beyond market projections.

The Hiroshima-based carmaker, one-third held by Ford Motor Co., has been a prime beneficiary of the yen's steep decline because most of the cars it sells overseas are built in Japan.

Fanning profits further, Mazda's sales growth has occurred mainly in North America and Europe recently, and the yen's slide has boosted the value of dollar- and euro-denominated income.

For the fiscal year that ends March 31, Mazda raised its operating profit forecast to $1.26 billion (148 billion yen) from $1.15 billion (135 billion yen), now calling for a 20 percent rise from last year to account for a weaker yen.

Mazda joins other Japanese automakers in posting rosy second-quarter results as they grab a bigger share of the North American and European car markets.

Its fortunes stand in sharp contrast to those of Ford, which posted its largest quarterly loss in 14 years as slower truck sales and restructuring charges took their toll.

Net profit is now seen at $700.6 million (82 billion yen) in 2006/07 instead of $640.8 million (75 billion yen).

Mazda revised its exchange rate assumptions for the year to 113 yen to the dollar and to 143 yen to the euro, from 110 and 135 assumed three months ago -- still a conservative view that leaves room for profits to overshoot the new projections.

For the July-September second quarter, operating profit was $343.0 million (40.15 billion yen), in line with market estimates.

Net profit sank 33 percent to $176.0 million (20.6 billion yen) after Mazda booked big one-off pension-related gains the year before. Revenue grew 16 percent to $6.73 billion (787.15 billion yen).

PROFIT BEFORE SALES

Mazda has won over many customers globally with the popular Mazda3 compact and the Mazda6 sedan before that, and it is hoping to repeat their successes with the new CX-7 and CX-9 crossovers -- strategic, higher-margin products aimed mainly at expanding in North America.

Mazda is in the final year of a mid-term business plan under which it had targeted $854.4 million (100 billion yen) of annual operating profit, a reduction of its debt-to-equity ratio below 100 percent and global shipment of 1.25 million units.

While the first two goals have been achieved, Mazda further reduced its wholesale volume forecast for 2006/07, by 30,000 units to 1.18 million units to account for sluggish demand in Japan and Thailand. That would be up 2.7 percent from last year.

But CFO David Friedman said the revision reflected Mazda's strategy of building a stronger brand by holding down discounts and other incentives even if that meant a fall in sales volume.

Kurt Sanger, an auto analyst at Macquarie Securities, agreed.

"For me, Mazda's story right now is not about impressive volume growth. It's about (product) mix improvement and getting more profit out of existing sales," he said.

Indeed, Mazda said its spending on U.S. sales incentives fell to $1,790 per unit in the first half from $2,260 in the year-earlier period. Still, Mazda's sales in the United States rose 3.0 percent in the first 10 months of this year.

NEW MID-TERM PLAN EYED

With volumes steadily growing, analysts say Mazda's most pressing task now is to expand its output capacity -- now at around 1.45 million units globally -- while reducing its high sensitivity to exchange rate swings through local production.

Friedman said these issues would be "an integral part" of the next mid-term business plan to be announced next spring, declining to provide any hints on where and how Mazda would add capacity.

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Re: Ford rainbow: Mazda profits
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2006, 08:15:05 pm »
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If it wouldn't be for Mazda and Volvo, Ford would likely be out of business within a couple of years. 

If it wasn't for Ford, neither Mazda or Volvo would have made it into 21st century.

Remember what POS cars Mazda used to make?

Can you be more specific and give a few example of POS perhaps???

I think a couple of members are confusing Volvo and Mazda with Jaguar. Jaguar is the brand that needed the Ford expertise and capital to survive. I certainly don't recall Volvo or Mazda being at risk of going bankrupt. Volvo Corp decided to focus on their core business and sold their Automotive division; Ford's purchase of 1/3 Mazda shares was a strategic move between the companies.