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To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« on: October 15, 2006, 10:59:03 pm »
To buy or to lease? How do we make that decision?
I'm in my late 20's...I've been working at my current job for about 6 months now...
and honestly I don;t know where I'll be in 4 years from now...
I do however know I need a car...but can't decide what is a better option, leasing or financing....
any advice?

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2006, 11:31:45 pm »
It comes down to a personal financial choice.   The salesman who sold us my wifes car summed it up pretty well "...people buy what they can afford, and lease what they cannot...".   
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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2006, 11:53:59 pm »
It's not buy vs. lease. It's finance vs. lease. If a person could truly "afford" the car, they'd pay with the money from their savings account. I am constantly amazed by the number of people that avoid leasing but will be all too happy to finance over 84 months. After all, they've heard that they won't own anything after 4 years of leasing. Compare that with what they'll have after 4 years of that 84 month contract.

Seriously, what matters is that you compare similar situations when comparing the two. For example, many people seem to believe that comparing a 4 year lease with a 4 year finance is clear evidence that financing is better. They conveniently forget that the finance payment will be much, much higher than the lease payment. So much higher that it wouldn't be possible for the average buyer to afford, making the whole comparison moot.

Also, determine what is important to you with regard to car ownership. Some people cannot stand driving old cars. Some place a high priority on having the safest, newest, etc. These people will never be happy paying for something for years only to say, "whoopee, I now own an old car." In the same way, some people see no value at all in the newness of a car. These people see anything less than 15 years of ownership as a waste. These people will never be happy leasing a new car every few years.

Bottom line is that you will get responses to your question covering every possible view on the topic. Until you determine what is important to you, it won't matter what anyone else thinks.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2006, 12:15:15 am »
Here is my problem....
I was quoted approx. $396 to finance for 66 months with $1000 down
or for $309 to lease for 48 months with $1000 down.

I am scared to lock myself into a 4 yr lease....but I feel more comfortable with the finance since I know I could always sell the car at any point if need be.

Is this a good enough reason to finance? I'm so confused!!

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2006, 12:32:41 am »
This was suggested by another member (MKII) in another thread about leasing vs. buying (there are lots here if you use the search button)

http://www.leaseguide.com/

I had negative misconceptions about leasing until I read more into it. I also had the personal experience of never having been responsible for an accident in my 19 years of driving, then taking the financial hit on my financed Camry because some reckless teenager drive drove 80 in a 40 km zone and couldn't stop in time.

At present, my opinion is: it depends.

For those who are wondering if leasing is always more expensive if you keep the car longer, this following explanation made it easy for me to understand that that's not true.

example:

The additional amount you pay extra per month when you finance versus if you lease: let's say it equals 9,600 (extra 200 per month x 48 months)

If the residual value = 9,600

you have not lost any money. If you are able to buy-out completely the vehicle after the lease period if you choose to (and not have to finance the buy-out), there is no money lost whatsoever. Even if you give the vehicle back, you still have the 9,600 to put as downpayment towards the next car.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2006, 12:35:52 am »
Here is my problem....
I was quoted approx. $396 to finance for 66 months with $1000 down
or for $309 to lease for 48 months with $1000 down.

I am scared to lock myself into a 4 yr lease....but I feel more comfortable with the finance since I know I could always sell the car at any point if need be.

Is this a good enough reason to finance? I'm so confused!!

If being scared of being locked into a 48-month contract is an important factor, then that's a important factor against leasing IMO.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2006, 12:49:25 am »
Here is my problem....
I was quoted approx. $396 to finance for 66 months with $1000 down
or for $309 to lease for 48 months with $1000 down.

I am scared to lock myself into a 4 yr lease....but I feel more comfortable with the finance since I know I could always sell the car at any point if need be.

Is this a good enough reason to finance? I'm so confused!!

You're afraid of a 48 month term yet you prefer to finance over 66 months?   :think:

If you lease, it's not like you can never get out of the lease contract. 

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2006, 12:59:24 am »
Thanks for refering me to www.leaseguide.com!

And the reason I prefer the 66 month finance is because I can always sell the car at any point, right?

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2006, 01:03:31 am »
Thanks for refering me to www.leaseguide.com!

And the reason I prefer the 66 month finance is because I can always sell the car at any point, right?

You can sell a leased car at any point as well.  Like financing, selling a leased car means you pay the lender what you owe.  There might be fees involved, there might not be. 

Paying interest for 66 months...by the time you own the car outright, you'll need a new car or the car is coming up to the major repair time zone. 

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2006, 01:06:47 am »
Thanks for refering me to www.leaseguide.com!

And the reason I prefer the 66 month finance is because I can always sell the car at any point, right?

Yes ... The buyer will have to you ... you transfer the title under your own name ... so that there is no 'lean' on the car ... then the new buyer register it under their name ... Not a straight title transfer ... Think that is how it works.

$396 * 66 mths + $1000 = $27136 ... Maybe that price is bit too high for a starter 1st car? No? How about something in the $18,000 range with 0% financing for 48/60 months?  :)

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2006, 01:14:36 am »

 How about something in the $18,000 range with 0% financing for 48/60 months?  :)

And that would be   ???   ???

You must have something in mind.
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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2006, 01:18:35 am »
I didn't know your could transfer the lease to someone else...that changes things a little....
So do you think leasing is a better option?

The car I am llooking into (VW Golf),  isn't actually $27k...it's sale price is $19k with all the additional costs and taxes, it totals to about $23k...the rest is interest!!!!! 

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2006, 01:27:25 am »
It is total cost of ownership ... including taxes, maintenance, repair, insurance, interest, gas ...  :) They all come from your after income-tax deducted pay cheque ... aka Gross Net Pay ...

Trainman, I have no particular cars in mind ... the SX4 and Accent do come up after your question tho.

Anyway, just my opinion on spending over $27G to finance a car at this stage is not the best choice, IMO, ONLY.  :)

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2006, 01:35:46 am »
One thing to remember is that if you lease, you do not own the car in any way.  You are paying someone (like VW) a monthly fee (or rent if you prefer) for the use of their property.  So signing over the car to someone else if you decide to bail from the lease requires the consent of the actual owner.

Both financing and leasing has its pros/cons and really depends on your situation.  In the past, I have leased for short term (less than 3 years) with the understanding that I would not be interested in keeping (buying out in lease terms) the vehicle at the end of the lease.  Have bought any vehicle I wanted/expected to keep for a while.  But that is what works for me in my situation.

Keep asking questions and eventually you will be able to digest all the opinions/experiences posted and be able to make an informed decision that will work for you.

Thanks initial_D, was not sure.  And I agree with you on the $27,000 for a first car but sounds like it is well below that.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2006, 01:44:46 am »
Thanks for refering me to www.leaseguide.com!

And the reason I prefer the 66 month finance is because I can always sell the car at any point, right?

You can sell a leased car at any point as well.  Like financing, selling a leased car means you pay the lender what you owe.  There might be fees involved, there might not be. 

Paying interest for 66 months...by the time you own the car outright, you'll need a new car or the car is coming up to the major repair time zone. 

If you want to sell a leased car, don't you have to pay the total amount remaining in your lease contract first? Plus, don't you have to pay a penalty on top of that for "breaking" the lease as well?

Or transfer the lease to another person willing to overtake your lease via something like leasebusters.com?

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2006, 01:50:52 am »
If you want to sell a leased car, don't you have to pay the total amount remaining in your lease contract first? Plus, don't you have to pay a penalty on top of that for "breaking" the lease as well?

Or transfer the lease to another person willing to overtake your lease via something like leasebusters.com?


Probably.  Not sure on the specifics, but it's not impossible to be getting out of a lease term. 

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2006, 01:54:40 am »
It seems a lot easier to just sell a financed car then to break a lease or transfer it.
What bothers me about leasing is the wear and tear of the vehicle after the lease is up, I'll have to find out more about what kind of leeway we have there. Aswell I'm hearing a lot about hidden costs at lease end. Offcourse I will address everything to the dealer, but they could sneak one by me couldn't they....hmm... ???

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« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2006, 02:00:44 am »
It's easier to sell a car you 'own' rather than a car you lease.  Lease end costs are based on the vehicles condition when returning it.  The real question is, if you aren't doing this for taxation purposes....what are the plans for you when it comes to vehicles?  Will you buy a car and drive it to the ground?  Like to change cars every few years?  Selling a car with $1000 downpayment at any point in the loan cycle will most likely result in you being upside down on the loan, meaning you'll lose money selling it (owe more than you can get for the car).  So financing a car with the intent of selling is not a good idea.  If you truly want flexibilty, get a cheaper car and buy it outright.  Get a used car, a little car with depreciation  mostly taken out of the car.  Then you can sell it without losing your shirt.  But if you want to own this car, finance it.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2006, 02:09:44 am »
I would like to drive the car to the ground...however I am just not sure where I will be in a 4 years from now or more....thats where the leasing idea comes into play, or the selling option.

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Re: To lease or to buy? the age old question...
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2006, 02:13:20 am »
It seems a lot easier to just sell a financed car then to break a lease or transfer it.
What bothers me about leasing is the wear and tear of the vehicle after the lease is up, I'll have to find out more about what kind of leeway we have there. Aswell I'm hearing a lot about hidden costs at lease end. Offcourse I will address everything to the dealer, but they could sneak one by me couldn't they....hmm... ???

You could be overcharged if you have excessive wear and tear, but I've heard that people normally don't have problems with "normal" wear and tear.

Hidden costs. You can avoid those by carefully understanding the lease contract and everything you are being asked to pay. For instance, the bogus 400 admin fee an Acura dealer tried to sneak by me recently. What's that for? Oh wheel locks and our special dealership guarantee. Bull, I don't need a special dealership guarantee, so that's an overinflated price for wheel locks period to make more money off of me.

If you do good reading and research first (I'm actually going through the same thing), I think you'll feel a lot more confident when presented with the choices. And will be able to "smell" BS a mile away.....