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Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« on: October 12, 2006, 11:01:14 am »
Hi All,

I would like to introduce myself to the forum. I've been lurking for the past couple of days and I really like what I have been reading. CarTalkCanada seems like a very nice online community.

I've been researching into getting a new set of steel wheels and winter tires for my 2006 Subaru Impreza Wagon (2.5i).

So far, I have narrowed my tire choice down to a set of 4 Goodyear Nordic's that are offered at Canadian Tire. Good bang for buck, newest technology, high speed rating...

Canadian Tire also has a "multi-fit" steel wheels on sale. Their Pattern is "16 X 6-1/2, 5-4-1/2"

Does anybody know the pattern of the stock wheels on a 2006 Impreza Wagon?
What are some potential issues I will run into with multi-fit wheels?
What is the offset for a 2006 Impreza Wagon?
Is there anything else I should consider?

The reason why I want to purchase everything at once (wheels + tires) is because I want to opt for the tire warranty that is offered. In order to do so I need the tires installed on location.

Could any tire/wheel guru's provide me with information? Also, any data sheets (service manual pages) about the wheels/tires information would be great!

Regards,
Michael

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 02:39:16 pm »
This is a good reference document to answer many wheel questions:

www.fastco.ca/web-content/Images/Wheels2006appguide.pdf

It is from a wheel vendor (not sure if wholesale or retail), but besides showing which of their wheels fit which vehicles, it also has a listing of what the OE bolt pattern, offset and centre bore are, all important considerations.

On an AWD vehicle, I believe that the correct size is much more critical than with 2WD vehicles - differential or tranny damage could occur under certain circumstances.

Multi-fit wheels are generally what they call "lugcentric" versus most OE wheels being "hubcentric."  That's where the centre bore measurement comes in.  On a hubcentric setup, the wheel rests on the hub, and are held in place by the lug nuts.  They are centred by the hubs.  In a lugcentric setup, the centre bore is much bigger than the hub, so the wheel does not rest on the hub, and is held, supported and centred entirely by the lugs.  This can cause vibrations, especially on some vehicles which are more prone.  Another issue, which I feel is debatably, is whether or not the vehicle weight can be supported by the lugs alone, or need to be supported by the hubs and lugs.

On the issue of wheels, look for "take-offs" from other Subarus, available usually through wreckers, tire dealers and of course Morty's shop.  These were, as the term implies, taken from other Subaru vehicles.  Otherwise, if you can find new aftermarket wheels that are hubcentric (can be found with some homework, as long as they are made for your car), that is another option.  Costco came up here before as being one of the few places selling aftermarket hubcentric wheels.  In my case, I ended up with a set from them last winter for our '03 VW Golf.  They were hubcentric - in fact, manufactured by Fumaglli, a huge OE supplier of wheels, and in this case, the OE supplier to VW.  Only difference between the Costco purchased wheels and the full-sized spare wheel was that there was one less stamping - the VW logo.  I also called Costco today to see if they have wheels for my new '06 Toyota Sienna.  They do have a 16" Toyota specific wheel.  Guess who's the OE supplier for the 16" Sienna steel wheels?  Fumaglli.  I suspect these will be also Fumaglli steels at Costco, but regardless, they are hubcentric to a number of Toyota fitments, and likely made by any one of the OE suppliers to Toyota.  I would save over $30 per wheel for exactly the same as what I can get from a dealer.

Which leads me to believe that it should be no different for a Subaru.  Call Costco.  You will need someone knowledgeable on the other side, so a few calls to different locations may be needed.

As for your winter tires...  Well, tell us a bit about where you drive and how you drive - lots of people here can help you narrow things down.

And lastly, welcome to the forum!  Make yourself at home.  We are a fun, but quirky bunch.
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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 06:55:55 pm »
Michael, there are already a few threads dealing with winter tires, rims and Subies.  I'm pretty sure your questions are already answered.

Here are a few to get you started:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,48455.0.html
http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,47841.0.html
http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,48497.0.html
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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 09:26:26 pm »
Multi-Fit wheels or AKA Universal wheels are terrible. They are not hub-centric and often result in the annoying vibration because the wheel is not centred to the hub, but to the studs. Your best bet is to go with OE Subaru steels. These are available from us or your Subaru dealer.

Here is a link for your vehicle:

TireTrends - 2006 Subaru Impreza 2.5i Sport Wagon Winter Options

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2006, 08:39:53 am »
weebl:
Thank you for your detailed response. I have a much better understanding of hubcentric and multifit wheels now.

dorin:
The links you sent me have shed more light on my tire options! Unfortunately, my wheel questions are a bit more specific.

morty:
Great, after seeing many of your posts, I assume you work in the industry?

My Progress:
I have sourced a set of four OE spec steel wheels at Partsource. They are special order only but I don't mind. $69.99 a piece, hubcentric, and the guy is "kind of sure" that the offset will be correct (+55).

My Driving Variables
The driving I will be doing is 1/2 highway and 1/2 city. Commute each day is about 25km one way on highway, and I probably do another 30-50km total in the city after work. I life in the GTA, so the roads are plowed relatively quickly, and winters aren't as bad as our friends north of us. The Subaru symmetric AWD system helps a tad too ;).

Questions:
I am debating whether or not to buy the tire warranty for $6.99 each tire. It states if you have an irrepairable flat (sidewall damage...) CT will replace the tire for free. I'm wondering how often that happens?! Is sidewall damage due to road hazards common?

Is there anyway to tell the offset/center bore of a steel wheel by looking at it? (any stampings?) Sometimes I like to see for myself and not go by what the retailer says.

I will keep this thread updated so other Impreza ('06 at least) owners can benefit.

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 11:19:15 am »
I reread your post, it looks like you are considering what appears to be at CT exclusive, the Good-Year Nordic as your winter tire.  I don't know anything about this tire as it is brand new, but they seem like they might be okay.

I can give you comments on their other two house brand winter tires, however.

Nordic WinterTrac:  An identical twin to the BF Goodrich WinterSlalom, made by the Michelin/BF Goodrich/Uniroyal group.  These are studdable.  My experiences are with them unstudded.  Very good and quiet in dry and wet pavement, excellent snow and slush performance.  Ice traction is severely wanting, however.  I would not pick these, at least in the unstudded form.  Generally Q or S rated depending on size.  My experience was on my dad's Nissan Quest.

Nordic IceTrac:  Most likely the design is from the now obsolete Kleber KrisAlp (1), a Michelin brand offered for sale in Europe, so the design is dated, but traction is still good.  Again, made by the Michelin/BF Goodrich/Uniroyal group.  These are not studdable.  I have used them on one of my own cars, while somewhat squirmy, they are not any more so than other winter tires in the same speed rating.  A little noisy on wet and dry pavement, but otherwise good performance.  They are excellent in snow and in ice.  Generally in Q or S rated, depending on size.  I used these on a '93 Civic, then when I sold that vehicle, gave the set to my brother for his '95 Colt.  Been great on both cars.  I had even bought another set for my new van, when they were on for 30% off this September.  Yet to be mounted on rims.

Not sure if that protection package they are quoting you is a good deal, I got it on my set.  Let's put it this way - this August, I had irreparable tire damage on the Golf.  Just this month, my dad had irreparable tire damage on his Quest.  Both were nails too close to the sidewall to safely repair.

Depending on how aggressively you drive, if those Good-Year tires are similar to the CT IceTrac, they might be good for you, as long as you have a less aggressive driving style in the winter.  A Blizzak WS-50 would be one of the ultimate for this type of driving.  With a more aggressive style, look at something more performance oriented.  A Hancook IceBear WS300 would be a good bet there.

To check hubcentricity on a wheel is usually difficult visually.  I have yet to see centre bore measurements stamped on a wheel.  You can check for certain one of two ways - have them do a test fit on your vehicle, there will be a perfect fit with the hub and centre bore.  The second, slightly less accurate method would be to find out your centre bore measurement, and take in a ruler or tape measure to check.  Simply measure the diameter of the centre bore of the wheel in question.  Wheel offset is not as big a deal, as long as it is reasonably close.  I don't like to vary by more than +/- 5mm, but only if I absolutely have to.  Bolt pattern will be either right or wrong.  Sounds like you found a deal at Parts Source, provided they are in fact OE spec.

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2006, 01:46:51 am »
I use a multi fit rim on my RX8. No problems at all. Without hub rings, or a "proper" rim simply just tighten all the lugs evenly before you lower the car.


http://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=99917

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2006, 09:51:30 am »
Your best bet is to go with OE Subaru steels. These are available from us or your Subaru dealer.

Definitely, because Subie wheels have a very high offset spec. Multifit wheels have an offset too low of an offset and will cause extra stress on your wheel bearings. Going with a real Subie wheel is best.

For the most part, the Cdn tire BFG branded tires have been ok, and are not a bad choice at all and good value. Weebl's description seems pretty bang on.

You'll have lots of fun with the Impreza with winter tires. The AWD makes slicing through the snow lots of fun.




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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2006, 04:48:54 pm »
I've used multi-fit wheels on several cars, but have used them with hub-centric rings and have never experienced any vibration of poor handling.  I have several friends whose experiences are similar to mine.  If you go with multi-fit, use hubcentric rings..
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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2006, 01:53:02 am »
The trick is the rings. We have attempted to run the Mutli-Fit on enough vehicles to know they dont work and choose not to sell them if at all possible. Only time we would use them is if there is no OE fitment available.

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2006, 09:39:24 am »
Hey Everybody!

Yes, the Good Year Nordics are a Canadian Tire exclusive. They are new this year and will replace the Nordic: Icetrac line of tires. I guess CT has forecasted more sales driven by the Good Year brand. I am willing to trust Good Year to produce a good tire without any QA issues.

I have been calling vendor after vendor and have come to the decision that I WILL NOT settle for multi-fit steel wheels when there are OE spec wheels on the market.

I called around and have found these prices:

OE Spec
Subaru: $95.00 [in stock - OEM]
Steelcase: $70.00 [in stock]
Green Bay Tires: $65.00 [in stock]
Part Source: $55.00 [2-4 week lead time]

Steelcase and Green Bay both verbally confirmed the steel wheels were OE spec.

Part Source does not carry them as a regular item. However the Manager at the location I visited, kindly phoned one of his suppliers and sourced an OE spec steelie made in North America for $55. The Manager verbally confirmed the correct fit (offset, hubcentric, etc). However there is a significant lead time (especially if you want to beat the winter rush). Nevertheless, I placed an order for the steelies at Part Source...

Once the wheels come in, I will test fit them. If they are okay, I will post more information. If all works out, $55 for a North American made OE spec steel wheel is a steal (no pun intended)!





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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 12:53:08 pm »

So far, I have narrowed my tire choice down to a set of 4 Goodyear Nordic's that are offered at Canadian Tire. Good bang for buck, newest technology, high speed rating...


You've likely already found a set of winter tires.  In any case, for those who may have an interest in these GoodYear Nordics (Canadian Tire only tires), they are as much as I figured them to be - tires sold by GoodYear in another market.  Likely made in North America, but using the design of their Euro market tires.

Canadian Tire's page on these:
http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524443292357&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672509&bmUID=1161794497952

GoodYear's Euro site on their Ultra Grip 500:
http://eu.goodyear.com/home_en/tires/repository/UltraGrip500/index.jsp?page=benefits

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Re: Choosing Correct Steel Wheels - 2006 Impreza Wagon
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2006, 01:43:13 pm »
We do have OE Subaru wheels as well....16" and 15"