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« on: October 05, 2006, 08:09:02 am »

Study: Side air bags save lives
Safety devices that offer head protection prevent even more crash deaths each year.
David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON -- Side air bags that provide head protection reduce driver deaths 37 percent, while side air bags that protect only the chest and abdomen reduce deaths 26 percent, a study released today found.
The study, by the Virginia-based Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, also found that side air bags are especially helpful in SUV accidents, with head-protecting side air bags reducing the risk of death 52 percent and torso air bags 30 percent.
After frontal crashes, side-impact crashes are the most deadly, killing about 9,300 people nationwide annually.
They accounted for 29 percent of all passenger vehicle occupant deaths in 2005, according to the study.
The institute's president, Adrian Lund, said consumers shouldn't buy vehicles without side air bags.
"If you care about safety, you need side impact protection," Lund said.
As many as 2,000 lives could be saved a year with side air bags if they were included in all vehicles, said Anne McCartt, a vice president at the institute and co-author of the study. The institute is funded by the insurance industry and lobbies automakers to improve safety features.
In December 2003, major automakers signed a seven-page voluntary agreement with the Insurance Institute, promising by September 2009 to offer improved side impact protection for drivers and passengers' heads. Under the agreement, the automakers annually report their progress to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
NHTSA and most automakers interpret the voluntary agreement -- which sets safety standards -- as requiring them to install side head protection air bags. The Big 3 have all promised to have side air bags by September 2009.
In early September, former NHTSA administrator Jeffrey Runge criticized the NHTSA for failing to mandate improved side impact protection.
"We're leaving 1,000 lives on the table. I can't defend the fact that this isn't done yet," Runge told The Detroit News in an interview. "This is clear when 50 percent of the people who die in a side-impact crash have a brain injury. There's no excuse to not get this done. This is a no-brainer -- no pun intended."
The Insurance Institute analysis of lives saved with side air bags is twice as high as the NHTSA's estimate.
When NHTSA proposed a tougher side impact standard in March 2004, it said it would save between 700 and 1,000 lives annually and said the "upgrade could become a final rule as early as 2005."
NHTSA spokesman Rae Tyson declined to comment Wednesday on why the rule hasn't yet been completed.
The institute said 78 percent of cars and 53 percent of SUVs have head protection side air bags available as an option. Fewer than half of all pickup trucks have side air bags as an option. Head-protecting side air bags are only standard on one 2006 pickup model.
Among the Big Three:
·  Ford Motor Co. is making side head air bags standard on 50 percent of its 2007 models.
"Ford is moving aggressively to make side air bags and air curtains, which help protect drivers and passengers in side-impact collisions, standard equipment," Ford spokesman Dan Jarvis said.
·  Chrysler Group said 54 percent of its 2007 model year vehicles will be equipped with side air bags. That figure climbs to 90 percent in the 2008 model year, spokesman Max Gates said.
·  Among GM vehicles, 52 percent of 2007 model year vehicles will have side curtain air bags, said spokesman Alan Adler. About 44 percent of the SUVs will have them.
GM is also making rollover air bags standard on all trucks by 2010.
"This isn't one of those options that you want to wait for people to demand," Adler said.
The 2004 NHTSA proposal would cost automakers as much as $3.6 billion -- from $91 to $208 per vehicle, costing as much as $3.7 million industrywide per life saved.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2006, 09:57:33 am »

(cue the old farts now saying:  "Bah!  Airbags!  I don't need all that extra stuff on my vehicles!  That just adds cost and weight and complexity to the machine.  I've been driving for 85 years and ain't never needed 'em.  Now... where'd I leave my keys again?")

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2006, 10:10:41 am »

I think side airbags should be standard like front airbags, three-point seatbelts, and LATCH tethers are.
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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2006, 10:14:03 am »

Highway deaths have been on the decline since 1986, but in 2005 the number of fatalities rose. In a preliminary report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), 43,200 people died while on the road in 2005 compared to 42,636 in 2004.

The reason for the increased number of highway deaths is under dispute. The U.S. Transportation Secretary feels that wearing safety belts in cars, using motorcycle helmets, and never driving while impaired could have helped prevent these tragedies. Others contribute the rise to commercial truck and bus drivers falling asleep, cell phone use, drowsy driving, and speeding.

Other findings from the report:

Motorcycle fatalities rose again for the eighth straight year.
55% of the people killed in passenger vehicles were not wearing a seat belt.
Passenger car fatalities dropped 1.8%, but light truck occupants killed increased by 4.3%.
Drunk driving deaths increased 1.7% in 2005 from 16,694 to 16,972.
NHTSA data is collected from police at accident scenes. The final report should be released last this summer.


You can mandate all the safety crap you want to, but it will be for nought until you deal with the nut behind the wheel.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2006, 10:19:37 am »


You can mandate all the safety crap you want to, but it will be for nought until you deal with the nut behind the wheel.

Not really.  If there's a nut-job behind the wheel of an SUV that broad-sides me after blowing through a red-light, you can bet your ass I'll be glad that the side and curtain airbags were mandated.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2006, 11:24:45 am »

They came standard on my 1998 Beetle and limits my use of seat covers. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2006, 11:29:59 am »

I like side airbags, especially side curtain airbags - since I'm always belted in, they make a lot more sense to me than front airbags.

I am curious whether they cross-referenced those injury/fatality rates with seatbelt use as well?
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2006, 11:34:26 am »

(cue the old farts now saying:  "Bah!  Airbags!  I don't need all that extra stuff on my vehicles!  That just adds cost and weight and complexity to the machine.  I've been driving for 85 years and ain't never needed 'em.  Now... where'd I leave my keys again?")

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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2006, 11:40:34 am »

Cue the old farts...............Hey "WE ARE ALIVE AND TAKIN" NUMBERS"...U young puppies have had seat belts in yo CRIB..and it's U wots Dieing from NON seat belt useage despite all the paraphenalia...(is that dirty U arsk? Tongue)..No.....I have no issues with air bags
BRING em ON...as if we have a choice anyway..hey they will be as ubiquitous as a Saf post Cheesy.... Thumbs up
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2006, 12:25:58 pm »

I like side airbags, especially side curtain airbags - since I'm always belted in, they make a lot more sense to me than front airbags.

I am curious whether they cross-referenced those injury/fatality rates with seatbelt use as well?

Hence my decision to step-up to the 2007 Camry (not financially wise though). Basic safety features, all standard. Side, curtain for all passengers and driver's knee airbag as well.
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2006, 12:36:17 pm »

any old bag looks good at closing time............... Tongue Evil Dancy Banana Shocked RunAway  DEAL OR NO DEAL... Wink
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« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2006, 01:25:53 pm »

Things like ABS, TCS and Airbags (front, side, curtain) should be standard. I feel disgusted when the auto makers make them "optional". What is it? I don't have the extra $500 bucks to shell out so I don't deserve to protect my family? That's what I liked about most European manufacturers.. Japanese and domestics have been making those side/curtain airbags optional or even N/A in lower end models. Glad to see they finally wake up.
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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2006, 02:02:35 pm »

Things like ABS, TCS and Airbags (front, side, curtain) should be standard. I feel disgusted when the auto makers make them "optional". What is it? I don't have the extra $500 bucks to shell out so I don't deserve to protect my family? That's what I liked about most European manufacturers.. Japanese and domestics have been making those side/curtain airbags optional or even N/A in lower end models. Glad to see they finally wake up.

Understand that if they are standard you will still pay the "extra $500" - it will now be buried in the total price and not an option. There is no free lunch. I have no problem with these features being optional and then the purchaser can decide.
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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2006, 02:03:41 pm »


Hence my decision to step-up to the 2007 Camry (not financially wise though). Basic safety features, all standard. Side, curtain for all passengers and driver's knee airbag as well.

Hence my decision to step-up to the 2007 Camry  Shocked  

I was not paying attention.  Thought you were getting another Corolla.  Roll Eyes  WOW Congrats on the Camry.  Good choice.  Wink  

driver's knee airbag as well.

That did it for me.  Wife sits jammed up against the dash and leg injury mayor possibility.  Job one is to keep her earning $$$$.  I can't afford any downtime.  I need a new sled.  Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2006, 02:05:49 pm »

ar_ken you'll end up paying for the airbags if they are made standard. The car companies aren't going to put them in for free. If they're mandated then you will simply be losing the option of buying a car without side airbags. It has been discussed repeatedly already but the main effect of mandating safety features will be to prevent car companies (such as Toyota No No ) from bundling them with other optional equipment. You may save some money by not having to buy the top of the line model to get the side airbags, but then again you could just go down the street to the Honda dealer and buy a Civic or a Fit rather than a Corolla or Yaris. Let the market punish those who think safety features must be packaged with leather.
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« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2006, 02:06:32 pm »

Ppl that drive with their noses on the steering wheel risk serious injury in the event of airbag deployment. Artic - get her to relax and move back in the seat.  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2006, 02:16:38 pm »

Ppl that drive with their noses on the steering wheel risk serious injury in the event of airbag deployment. Artic - get her to relax and move back in the seat.  Wink

My wife drives like that, very close to the steering wheel because she can't reach the pedals comfortably and to increase visibility over the 'bonnet' hood.

Its changing now with practice. The Camry has telescopic steering wheel, heigh adjustable seat. Makes a huge difference in her posture and confidence.
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2006, 02:19:09 pm »


Hence my decision to step-up to the 2007 Camry (not financially wise though). Basic safety features, all standard. Side, curtain for all passengers and driver's knee airbag as well.

Hence my decision to step-up to the 2007 Camry   Shocked   

I was not paying attention.  Thought you were getting another Corolla.  Roll Eyes  WOW Congrats on the Camry.  Good choice.  Wink 

driver's knee airbag as well.

That did it for me.  Wife sits jammed up against the dash and leg injury mayor possibility.  Job one is to keep her earning $$$$.  I can't afford any downtime.  I need a new sled.  Smiley
That was the original intention because my wife didn't want a big car, but after working on the numbers and driving the Camry, the grin wouldn't go away.  Grin

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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2006, 02:23:46 pm »

Highway deaths have been on the decline since 1986, but in 2005 the number of fatalities rose. In a preliminary report by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), 43,200 people died while on the road in 2005 compared to 42,636 in 2004.

The reason for the increased number of highway deaths is under dispute. The U.S. Transportation Secretary feels that wearing safety belts in cars, using motorcycle helmets, and never driving while impaired could have helped prevent these tragedies. Others contribute the rise to commercial truck and bus drivers falling asleep, cell phone use, drowsy driving, and speeding.

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Drunk driving deaths increased 1.7% in 2005 from 16,694 to 16,972.
NHTSA data is collected from police at accident scenes. The final report should be released last this summer.


You can mandate all the safety crap you want to, but it will be for nought until you deal with the nut behind the wheel.

Great points.

Besides, US and Canada are two totally different markets.  For starters, more Canadians wear seatbelts.


Not really.  If there's a nut-job behind the wheel of an SUV that broad-sides me after blowing through a red-light, you can bet your ass I'll be glad that the side and curtain airbags were mandated.

Well, in that case, I'll be sure to scan the road ahead, and be prepared to stop during an inetersection if I see a nut-job running a red-light.  No wonder driving takes up so much energy.



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« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2006, 02:32:33 pm »

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3kl_QrfyjXo

I fail to identify with those of you who feel side airbag protection is not worth the costs/weight and that you can pro-actively aviod side impacts.
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