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do i need snow tires?
« on: August 28, 2006, 04:28:15 pm »
Okay.. the kia was a no-brainer.. snow tires or death.. it was the only choice =)

I poised this question on the XOC board and the general consensus was investing in the BFG KO tires and use those all year round rather than winter tires.

I have brand new Nokian tires (as of April) on there now, so i could sell them, i guess..

Also.. my current tires are 265/70R16 - how much bigger could i go on the X? Nothing gargantuan.. but something a bit more beefy if i had the cash?
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2006, 04:39:19 pm »
If you can afford it, I would get a set of winter tires & rims.  Even a 4WD SUV can benefit from having winter tires.

From what I've read, the BFG KO's work well in snow however they are not designed to perform at low temperatures or on icy surfaces.

I would keep the Nokian All Season/All Terrain tires on your factory wheels, and store them during the winter.  Buy a set of steel wheels and snow tires to get you through the bad weather. 

Assuming your XTerra shares some front suspension components with the previous generation Pathfinder, Trainman might be able to offer some advice regarding going to oversized tires.  You may only be able to go to P265/75R16's.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2006, 05:28:44 pm »
The design temperature of the tire is much more important than you think.   Real winters, need tires of a compound designed for the cold especially where you live.    Supposedly  +7 deg C is the temperature that "normal" all season/summer tires start to lose grip and  +11 deg C is where pure winter tires start to work less well.  I read this somewhere maybe even on this forum some time ago.
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2006, 05:41:31 pm »
Up until now I have used the Hankook RF04 as my all year tire.  They are a softer compound, resulting in good winter traction but poor overall wear.  They are also not good in mud  :o   All these I knew when I bought them, the tire shop was very good in giving me the good, the bad and the ugly about these tires.

The Hankooks have at least one good summer left but no winters, so I am going to get a set of something (Bridgestone REVO is my choice right now but as morty notes not a true winter tire) as my winter/spring (mud season) tires, then they will end up as the summers.  Then back into the cycle   :-X

Man, so confusing this tire thing   ???

Sorry, I can not help with tire fitment on the X.  What I have done is rely on the Pathfinder board for tire choices and size fitment (that is where the REVO came up, performs well in the snow on Pathfinders).  I suggest you do the same on an X board somewhere you feel the info can be trusted.  And do not forget to remind them in what kind of conditions you will be driving in.  You will get lots of info on how good so-and-so tire is in sand and desert and red rocks etc.  Not very relevant to driving in Canada   ;D
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006, 06:13:47 pm »
I've used light truck tires in lieu of winter tires in the past.  They worked OK.  You know your area and driving habits best, though.  If you can afford them, they mey be a good idea.

You might find some used snow tires.  Any XTerra forums?  Are they the same size and bolt pattern as the 03 Pathfinder?  These trucks are coming off lease now, and I'll bet there are a few ex-Xterra and Pathfinder owners looking to unload winter tires.  Finding them will be the hard part.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2006, 06:45:28 pm »
No matter what you drive, in the winter you need winter tires more than you need 4WD, ABS, or airbags.

I italicized "need" because none of those are really absolute needs, but they can legitimately be considered must haves.  Ultimately, I think that, money permitting, winter tires should always be the first "mod" people make to their cars.  Although 4WD/AWD can help you get moving better on snow/ice, it doesn't really make you stop or corner any better.
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2006, 09:37:16 pm »
I've driven quite a bit on the BFG KOs and found them to offer pretty decent winter performance, even at temperatures well below freezing. Mind you, that was on a 6,500 lb van, not a 4,000 lb Xterra.

We also had some vans running on Blizzaks, and there was no question that the Blizzaks were superior. Not a huge difference, though. Either of those tires offered an enormous improvement in winter performance over the OE Bridgestone all-seasons.  :P

For our Xterra, though, there really wasn't any question as to whether we would go with dedicated winter tires.  As that annoying old oatmeal flogger used to say: it's just the right thing to do.  ;)

As for size, we went with 31x10.50R15, which is pretty much the biggest that will fit on the Xterra without lifting it. Even then, you have to trim the mudflaps a little bit to stop the tires from rubbing at full lock. IMO, though, there's no real reason to go bigger than stock. The only reason we went bigger was because we got a great deal on them.

Lastly, I'd be very wary of any tire advice received from XOC (especially winter tire advice). Some of it is just plain bad, but most of it seems to be based on the experience of hard-core off-roaders who live and play in sunny, desert environments. A lot of these folks figure that since they once managed to drive through 6 inches of snow on the stock all-seasons, winter tires are a waste of money. Others are only concerned with plowing through a foot of fresh snow on their favourite trail. Neither situation has much to do with getting around safely on cold, icy, snowy roads, day in and day out, for six months of the year.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2006, 10:52:19 am »
I'm not going to say anything that others haven't, you should get winter tires.  They are not just for snow, they make a huge difference when the temperatures drop, as they are designed to stay flexible in cold weather.

You might be able to get away without winter tires if you park your car anytime there is a hint of snow or ice on the roads and only drive on days when these aren't present.  Unless you live in Vancouver or Victoria, that pretty much means you won't be driving very much in the winter.

Many people have the argument, including my wife, that they grew up learning to drive in winter conditions, on cars with only all-season tires, so they've learned to control the car.  Fine and dandy, I say, but whether you know how to drive in winter or not, winter tires still give you that extra safety margin - which may be the difference between narrowly missing something by inches versus slamming into it.
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2006, 02:29:21 pm »
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2006, 08:15:00 pm »
As a fellow Impact Crater Dweller I highly recommend you do get winter tires. Wiffy is already on my case to start researching a set for her Impreza. I will be doing the same for Rut Ro.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2006, 11:41:54 pm »
Winters definitely give you improved breaking and steering capability in the snow, ice and even rain when near freezing. There is not a lot of room on the Xterra for up sizing. You will find a good selection of p-metric winters (4-ply), but not so much in LT. You can run alternate sizes 255/65/16 or 245/70/16, which are smaller, but do meet the requirements of your Xterra. There are a lot of really good options to choose from. Here is a link for some:

http://www.tiretrends.com/wheel2/iuc_pview/winterFinder.php?model=2227&year=2002

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2006, 06:32:59 am »
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2006, 09:58:20 am »
Thanks guys.. i appreciate the opinions.

I went to Costco yesterday to price and see what kind of stockt hey had and i didn't find anything i was overly excited about. I'll keep going. May as well start now, rather than October.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2006, 01:48:40 pm »
Labour Day forecast............SODBURY.........8 inches tonite...... :o :P...just SKIDDING it's really 9 :P

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2006, 01:51:30 pm »
Just a warning - rainy day here, but up at the Big White Ski area, there was some small amount of snow this morning. Just enough to see it on the grass; but nonetheless, it was SNOW !!!! Yikes !!! :P
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2006, 01:53:47 pm »
For us cheap, uh inexpensive, people....Is it cheaper to buy winter tires now or at the start of the winter season?
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2006, 02:05:45 pm »
For us cheap, uh inexpensive, people....Is it cheaper to buy winter tires now or at the start of the winter season?

Don't you have some for the 6 already?  Or are you asking for the ones that are afraid to ask.   ;)
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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2006, 02:10:03 pm »
For us cheap, uh inexpensive, people....Is it cheaper to buy winter tires now or at the start of the winter season?

Don't you have some for the 6 already?  Or are you asking for the ones that are afraid to ask.   ;)

Yes, that's it. So, let's just say I have a friend that needs tires for, say, a Mazda6 and he, no she is cheap....When should I, uh she, buy them.

Seriously though, I think I was lucky to get through last winter without having to work on the heaviest snow days. Even in the rain these stock tires are shiit and slide all over so I don't have much faith in the snow.

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2006, 02:36:39 pm »
So Morty, and chance for a discount being extended to members of this forum?   :D

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Re: do i need snow tires?
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2006, 02:39:01 pm »
Even in the rain these stock tires are shiit and slide all over so I don't have much faith in the snow.

And I thought it was all that Mazda HP coming through the 6 speed autobox spinning my tires.  :'(

I've heard if you get them before Halloween that is the best time and no line ups.  

Here is a link to what I put on the wagon so same fit for you.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/index.php/topic,41201.0.html

There is also a picture what they look like (reply #2). Let me know if you want more info.