Topic: Removing Minor White Scratch Marks from Black Car

[rrocket]

I was turned on to this stuff by a professional detailer who was part of Clublexus (or SupraForums).   This is by FAR the best way to fix chips short of a repaint.

What didn't you like about Dr. ColorChip?  Perhaps you used it wrong?  I was so shocked by the results, I couldn't believe it.  Now it DID take a teeny bit of practice.  The 2nd or 3rd time I used it was much better than the first area.

And oh yea...your butt sorta puckers as you smear the paint all over your paint!!   

[CanuckG35]

^ Hmmm, I am pretty certain that I stated in my previous post that I've used the stuff.  I commented simply because I've used it.  Read again bro.   

[rrocket]

^ Hmmm, I am pretty certain that I stated in my previous post that I've used the stuff.  I commented simply because I've used it.  Read again bro.   

Yea, I did and corrected.  You must have posted prior to my correction.

What specifically didn't you like??  Curious to know, since my results even impressed my painter.

[Railton]

however you'll never see a professional detailer endorse or use one.  Any other questions just let me know.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.  Have seen SEVERAL professional detailers recommend Dr. ColorChip from various forums.   And even then, some of the "non-professional" peeps at AutoGeek put up results like pros (or better) and they also like it.

Unless you've used it, I wouldn't suggest you comment on it.  Just like everything else in auto detailing, paint repair for the consumer has come a long, long way.

I was skeptical until I tried them.  Dr. ColorChip flat out works.

Here's a decent thread with before/during/after pics from Autogeek (black car). Seriously...read through this thread and tell me honestly you wouldn't recommend this to people.  I've used it with similar success.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/30379-dr-colorchip-before-during-after.html

That's great Ron.  You provided your thoughts on Railton's question as did I.  I don't see how that makes my viewpoint any less valid than yours.  You like the product, fine.  No problems here.  I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for offering your own opinion or experience on the subject.  And yes, I've used this product in case you weren't certain.

And of all the pro detailers that I am in constant contact with, not one has ever or will ever use this product.  Take that for what ever it's worth.  

I've not seen any of these "magic paint cures" on TV, then again, I don't watch TV, save for the National.

Canuck, Detailing a cars paint for hours on end is all fine and good and yes, looks great once complete but, if the car has stone chips on it then all the detailing will do is just make them stand out that much more.
What's the answer then. Painstakingly dab paint in the chip, cover with clear and buff? What do you do? How do you do it? What do you charge? Etc. ,etc...
Thanks,
Railton

[CanuckG35]

^ Hmmm, I am pretty certain that I stated in my previous post that I've used the stuff.  I commented simply because I've used it.  Read again bro.   

Yea, I did and corrected.  You must have posted prior to my correction.

What specifically didn't you like??  Curious to know, since my results even impressed my painter.

The two main things about it that I didn't like were;

*  While the product looked great from a few feet away, it certainly didn't close up.  You could still see the chip marks, except that they were painted now.  I've been able to achieve much better results using a factory touch up pen, fine paint brush, use a 1500-2000 grit sand paper, polish, and seal.  Two things I will point out though are that I am very fussy, which is why I didn't care for Dr. Colorchip.  I'm certain most people would be more than fine with the results it gives.  Perhaps I should of clarified that earlier.  Secondly, most people do not have the tools to replicate my personal process.  You mention sanding a paint surface of a car and most people run in the other direction.

*  The second thing I didn't like about this product was it's durability.  I used it on my parent's vehicle and within approximately 4-5 months the same paint chips were back that I repaired. 

If people are happy with the results it gives, I would highly encourage them to keep using it.  It's simply not for me, nor every other detailer that I know.  To each their own, right? 

[CanuckG35]

however you'll never see a professional detailer endorse or use one.  Any other questions just let me know.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.  Have seen SEVERAL professional detailers recommend Dr. ColorChip from various forums.   And even then, some of the "non-professional" peeps at AutoGeek put up results like pros (or better) and they also like it.

Unless you've used it, I wouldn't suggest you comment on it.  Just like everything else in auto detailing, paint repair for the consumer has come a long, long way.

I was skeptical until I tried them.  Dr. ColorChip flat out works.

Here's a decent thread with before/during/after pics from Autogeek (black car). Seriously...read through this thread and tell me honestly you wouldn't recommend this to people.  I've used it with similar success.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/30379-dr-colorchip-before-during-after.html

That's great Ron.  You provided your thoughts on Railton's question as did I.  I don't see how that makes my viewpoint any less valid than yours.  You like the product, fine.  No problems here.  I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for offering your own opinion or experience on the subject.  And yes, I've used this product in case you weren't certain.

And of all the pro detailers that I am in constant contact with, not one has ever or will ever use this product.  Take that for what ever it's worth.  

I've not seen any of these "magic paint cures" on TV, then again, I don't watch TV, save for the National.

Canuck, Detailing a cars paint for hours on end is all fine and good and yes, looks great once complete but, if the car has stone chips on it then all the detailing will do is just make them stand out that much more.
What's the answer then. Painstakingly dab paint in the chip, cover with clear and buff? What do you do? How do you do it? What do you charge? Etc. ,etc...
Thanks,
Railton

See my post above regarding my own process for fixing paint chips on my own vehicles.  I personally don't get into any type of painting with my detailing business simply because I'm not a trained automotive painter.  I have no issues whatsoever playing around with my own vehicles and do a bang up job repairing paint chips, but I have no interest in doing the same thing for customer vehicles.  I'll leave that part to the paint shops.  Plus, I have no interest in having an inventory of every paint code under the sun.   

[Railton]

however you'll never see a professional detailer endorse or use one.  Any other questions just let me know.

Wrong, wrong and wrong.  Have seen SEVERAL professional detailers recommend Dr. ColorChip from various forums.   And even then, some of the "non-professional" peeps at AutoGeek put up results like pros (or better) and they also like it.

Unless you've used it, I wouldn't suggest you comment on it.  Just like everything else in auto detailing, paint repair for the consumer has come a long, long way.

I was skeptical until I tried them.  Dr. ColorChip flat out works.

Here's a decent thread with before/during/after pics from Autogeek (black car). Seriously...read through this thread and tell me honestly you wouldn't recommend this to people.  I've used it with similar success.

http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/auto-detailing-101/30379-dr-colorchip-before-during-after.html

That's great Ron.  You provided your thoughts on Railton's question as did I.  I don't see how that makes my viewpoint any less valid than yours.  You like the product, fine.  No problems here.  I am not going to tell you that you are wrong for offering your own opinion or experience on the subject.  And yes, I've used this product in case you weren't certain.

And of all the pro detailers that I am in constant contact with, not one has ever or will ever use this product.  Take that for what ever it's worth.  

I've not seen any of these "magic paint cures" on TV, then again, I don't watch TV, save for the National.

Canuck, Detailing a cars paint for hours on end is all fine and good and yes, looks great once complete but, if the car has stone chips on it then all the detailing will do is just make them stand out that much more.
What's the answer then. Painstakingly dab paint in the chip, cover with clear and buff? What do you do? How do you do it? What do you charge? Etc. ,etc...
Thanks,
Railton

See my post above regarding my own process for fixing paint chips on my own vehicles.  I personally don't get into any type of painting with my detailing business simply because I'm not a trained automotive painter.  I have no issues whatsoever playing around with my own vehicles and do a bang up job repairing paint chips, but I have no interest in doing the same thing for customer vehicles.  I'll leave that part to the paint shops.  Plus, I have no interest in having an inventory of every paint code under the sun.   

Just specify that the person having their vehicle detailed supplies the paint. What's the big deal?
A trained painter is just going to un-do everything you've just done with a sander and new paint. What's the point of taking the vehicle to a detailer if they can't complete the job?
Maybe I'm missing the point here entirely but detailers need to offer a value added service like paint chip repair and/or paintless dent removal to their detailing service IMHO or it's just a half-ass job. Not everyone has a brand new vehicle with virgin (never waxed before ) paint for you to work on.
Railton

[CanuckG35]

^ But I am in the detailing business, not the painting business.  The two are entirely different things and it's very rare that the two cross paths.  I've yet to know a fellow pro detailer that does paint work and I've yet to know a paint shop that does detailing.

A paint shop will not be undoing everything I've done simply because most people won't get their vehicle detailed and then have it painted.  I'm sorry you feel that detailing is only offering a half ass job, but I can sincerely tell you that it's not.   

[Railton]

^ But I am in the detailing business, not the painting business.  The two are entirely different things and it's very rare that the two cross paths.  I've yet to know a fellow pro detailer that does paint work and I've yet to know a paint shop that does detailing.

A paint shop will not be undoing everything I've done simply because most people won't get their vehicle detailed and then have it painted.  I'm sorry you feel that detailing is only offering a half ass job, but I can sincerely tell you that it's not.   

We're talking ouch-up my friend, not getting into the painting business. BIG difference. Be bold, cross the line and make a difference!
Railton

[rrocket]

^ But I am in the detailing business, not the painting business.  The two are entirely different things and it's very rare that the two cross paths.  I've yet to know a fellow pro detailer that does paint work and I've yet to know a paint shop that does detailing.

A paint shop will not be undoing everything I've done simply because most people won't get their vehicle detailed and then have it painted.  I'm sorry you feel that detailing is only offering a half ass job, but I can sincerely tell you that it's not.   

There used to be a detailer here who did airbrushing chip touch ups.  And now there are a few high end paint shops that have full time pro detailers as well.  So more of a one-stop thing. One of them even has a kitchen, menus and a coffee bar for their customers to chill while they are waiting for their cars to be finished up.

[CanuckG35]

^ But I am in the detailing business, not the painting business.  The two are entirely different things and it's very rare that the two cross paths.  I've yet to know a fellow pro detailer that does paint work and I've yet to know a paint shop that does detailing.

A paint shop will not be undoing everything I've done simply because most people won't get their vehicle detailed and then have it painted.  I'm sorry you feel that detailing is only offering a half ass job, but I can sincerely tell you that it's not.   

There used to be a detailer here who did airbrushing chip touch ups.  And now there are a few high end paint shops that have full time pro detailers as well.  So more of a one-stop thing. One of them even has a kitchen, menus and a coffee bar for their customers to chill while they are waiting for their cars to be finished up.

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

[rrocket]

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

It's much more common in larger cities.  Certainly not in a quaint place where you live.

[CanuckG35]

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

It's much more common in larger cities.  Certainly not in a quaint place where you live.

Perhaps, but certainly not from my own experience with all of the pro detailers that I know throughout NA.

[rrocket]

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

It's much more common in larger cities.  Certainly not in a quaint place where you live.

Perhaps, but certainly not from my own experience with all of the pro detailers that I know throughout NA.

I'm not so sure.  I mean...after a car is painted, it needs to be sanded, buffed and polished.  Certainly it can't be that rare for a paint shop to offer a detailing service?

The one place in town I previously referred to even offers a "black car" service in which they will wet sand body panels if they are really bad....

[CanuckG35]

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

It's much more common in larger cities.  Certainly not in a quaint place where you live.

Perhaps, but certainly not from my own experience with all of the pro detailers that I know throughout NA.

I'm not so sure.  I mean...after a car is painted, it needs to be sanded, buffed and polished.  Certainly it can't be that rare for a paint shop to offer a detailing service?

The one place in town I previously referred to even offers a "black car" service in which they will wet sand body panels if they are really bad....

No, what I am saying is from my experience in the industry it's extremely rare that a professional detailer offers paint shop service. 

[rrocket]

I am sure there are a few places that offer both services, but I think we can both agree that these places are the exception and not the norm. 

It's much more common in larger cities.  Certainly not in a quaint place where you live.

Perhaps, but certainly not from my own experience with all of the pro detailers that I know throughout NA.

I'm not so sure.  I mean...after a car is painted, it needs to be sanded, buffed and polished.  Certainly it can't be that rare for a paint shop to offer a detailing service?

The one place in town I previously referred to even offers a "black car" service in which they will wet sand body panels if they are really bad....

No, what I am saying is from my experience in the industry it's extremely rare that a professional detailer offers paint shop service. 

Anyone doing airbrushing out your way (for paint chips)?

[CanuckG35]

^  There is an extremely good automotive airbrushing business just a couple of KMs down the road from my place.  I can't say for sure if they do paint chips (although I can't see why not), but their airbrushing work is pretty amazing. 

http://www.ezairfx.com/automotive.shtml