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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2006, 10:27:58 pm »
I agree with snowy but the S2000 will start to die a slow death if not updated or killed off soon.  It is still one of the least expensive performance roadsters, many compare it to the 350z now though which is less expensive and is starting to perform better.... but then you have to remember that is a coupe and building a fast rigid light roadster is a challenge.

I'd take a new z06 no question it looks mean too.


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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2006, 10:45:49 pm »
I confess I really disliked the S2K when it came out.  It seemed a little plain next to the Z3 which had a cool retro look.  Also, the engine was so peaky I wondered what it might be like to drive in normal traffic.

But, I had a chance to drive one.  SOLD!  Honda really nailed it.  The body has aged reasonably well (thanks to it's being "plain") and crazy-great driving dymanics never get old.
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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2006, 11:02:35 pm »
Seriously, there really nothing needs to update in S2k because its simply a perfect track car especially the early 2000cc version.

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2006, 11:15:01 pm »
You can not compare the S2000 to some of the other cars in the exotic field of vehicles. It is a great car in its own right but in a slightly different class of Supercar as well. The same as the Ferrari's and other exoctics they are all in their own distinct class. The Vette is a lower priced car that gives many of the advantages of the topline price cars but costs a lot less then most of them. Its a good all round value for the money and has been for many years as well. You don't have to spend a fortune to go fast or even race in some slalom events as they are ready to roll right from the factory for most of it. They are a good way to enter the realm of racing in one form or another.  :)

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2006, 11:17:26 pm »
If you think the Porsche nameplate is for nothing but poseurs.....go out and take one for a spin before saying anything.  The S2000 is a great car, it really nails the Boxster by providing great performance at a fraction of the price.  The numbers don't lie...and the S2000 feels good to drive too.  It does what the Corvette does to the 911....it makes the Porsche cars not bargain friendly.  But does that automatically make the Porsche cars soft or any less of a performer?  I'd argue that the Porsche cars FEEL BETTER to drive than the bargain basement S2000 and Corvette models. 

Now everybody knows I'm a Porsche fan, but I also am level headed enough to know that there are a lot of competing cars out there who offer better performance at a lower cost (damn...an SRT4 can run an with an S2000 and 350Z, not to mention spank a Boxster).  I can see value in these other cars, and I appreciate them just as much as the next guy.  Granted the new Porsche cars have gotten a bit soft and more refined (probably to tailor to the rich working elite who want luxury with power and prestige), but they are still vicious machines that can be docile while transporting the owner to and from work, but also carry a big stick when it comes time to head on out to the twisties or onto the track.  But to generalize and say the Porsche are poseur cars and lack feel because they lose out on the bang for buck meter?  Get real.   ::)
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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2006, 11:21:15 pm »
With the advant of PSM and PASM, Porsche handles far more user-friendly and make for even crazier track time than those without. Remember the episode when Stig drove a 997 C2S faster than 996 GT3 around TG track? :skid: :skid: The driving feel and chassis rigidty of Porsche sports cars are unbelievable, the slogan "there is no substitute" is not a hype. Its a truth!!

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2006, 11:44:54 pm »
I agree power isn't everything, and I'd much rather have a light car (like the Elise/Exige) with moderate power compared to heavier car with tons of power.

But there's a huge difference in a $58,000 CAD car compared to a $140,000 CAD car.  Plus the NSX was targeted against Ferraris, Lambos and Porsches so it had to have the HP/Torque figures to back up it's exotic styling and compare with the competition.  People spending that kind of cash want to have the figures, the market dictated it, but Honda didn’t listen.

Yet for some odd reason, Honda let it die, a slow miserable death.  They could have done incremental upgrades to it, but no.  I know they were already losing a lot of money on each NSX, in that case they should have killed it off by 97.

The 911 has been around for over 30 years, who’s to say the NSX couldn’t have stuck around.  But nope, Honda didn’t want to spend anymore time or effort.  It’s too bad, I’ve always loved the NSX.



When the NSX first came out in 91, the price was a far more reasonable 70k.  It was significantly cheaper than the Porsche 911 and Ferrari 348 and offered very similar performance.  However, I think Acura sold the car at a big loss because it wanted to get into the market and make a name for itself.  The amount of tooling and technology required to make the NSX out of aluminum must have been very expensive.  Not to mention that at the time it wasn't significantly lighter than the 911 or 348 with their steel bodies.

Another thing with the NSX is that it had minimal sharing of parts with other Acuras.   Over it's 14 year life, it got a few upgrades but since they sold so few, it would be very difficult to justify big redesigns like Porsche was doing with the 911.    The 911 had gone through three model changes itself going from the 964, 993, and 996.  No other Acura shared the same engine, chassis, or even interior parts as the NSX.  Meanwhile at Porsche, the 911 could work with using similar parts from the higher volume Boxster.

I too think that Acura kept the NSX way too long on the market - just to keep it as a halo car.  $140k was a ridiculous asking price when it was discontinued and while it was improved a bit over it's life, it certainly wasn't worth twice as much as the original.  One thing about NSX's though is that their resale values are incredible.  It's tough to find a 91 that's below 40k.  For a 15 year old car, there are very few cars that can claim that sort of resale value - the only car I can think of that can match it is the 911 itself (which itself has far higher resale then other Porsches).

Back to the original topic, I'd still take the Z06...

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2006, 11:49:10 pm »

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2006, 11:48:15 am »
The problem to me with corvette's has always been that they don't give me that tingly laugh like a school girl kinda feeling just by sitting in them. Now I've never driven a Carrera  or boxster but I have driven a 911 and that veichle gives me that feeling just by sitting in it. Same with Ferrari's etc. It just feels unreal to sit in the veichle. The corvette doesn't do that atleast not for me. The performance doesn't really matter that much to me since shaving off a 1/4 of a sec while driving could just as easily be wrecked by a poor/average driver.

If I had $90 some thousand burning a hole in my pocket I'd go with the porsche every time. Feeling goooood about just seeing a veichle is good times
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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2006, 11:59:35 am »
When the NSX first came out in 91, the price was a far more reasonable 70k.  It was significantly cheaper than the Porsche 911 and Ferrari 348 and offered very similar performance.  However, I think Acura sold the car at a big loss because it wanted to get into the market and make a name for itself.  The amount of tooling and technology required to make the NSX out of aluminum must have been very expensive.  Not to mention that at the time it wasn't significantly lighter than the 911 or 348 with their steel bodies.

Another thing with the NSX is that it had minimal sharing of parts with other Acuras.   Over it's 14 year life, it got a few upgrades but since they sold so few, it would be very difficult to justify big redesigns like Porsche was doing with the 911.    The 911 had gone through three model changes itself going from the 964, 993, and 996.  No other Acura shared the same engine, chassis, or even interior parts as the NSX.  Meanwhile at Porsche, the 911 could work with using similar parts from the higher volume Boxster.

I too think that Acura kept the NSX way too long on the market - just to keep it as a halo car.  $140k was a ridiculous asking price when it was discontinued and while it was improved a bit over it's life, it certainly wasn't worth twice as much as the original.  One thing about NSX's though is that their resale values are incredible.  It's tough to find a 91 that's below 40k.  For a 15 year old car, there are very few cars that can claim that sort of resale value - the only car I can think of that can match it is the 911 itself (which itself has far higher resale then other Porsches).

Back to the original topic, I'd still take the Z06...

You would think since they've already spent all that money and time to develope and produce the NSX they would spend a little more updating it and improving it.  Odd....

I do agree with you when it first came out in 91 the price was very reasonable and competitive.  Yet by the mid to late 90s it had skyrocketed to a price the market wouldn't pay for (or very, very few would pay for).  Also agree on the resale value, NSXs hold their value very well.  They're on par with Ferrari's 3xx (328, 348, 335, 360) models.

What Honda should have done is taken notes out of Porsche's playbook and created the S2000 to share almost all parts with the NSX (maybe minus the aluminum frame).  This way they could sell the higher volume S2000 to make profit and keep the NSX as their show piece?!  Oh well bad mistake on Honda's part. 

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2006, 12:50:59 pm »
In the 90's, the yen was experiencing some issues and like all other Japanese sports cars, the prices skyrocketed and the demand plummeted.  Mazda RX7, Toyota Supra, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Nissan 300ZX all bowed out of the market because the price was too high.  Honda bucked the trend and kept the NSX here and just jacked the price up without offering anything different. 

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #71 on: May 17, 2006, 12:57:41 pm »
2007 911 Turbo will be $170,700.  That should smoke the Z06.  But it's $75k more. :'(


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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #72 on: May 17, 2006, 01:01:38 pm »
2007 911 Turbo will be $170,700.  That should smoke the Z06.  But it's $75k more. :'(



The Turbo will have similar performance numbers to the Z06 (I'd imagine...around 3ish seconds to 60, 11 second quarter mile.....190mph+ top speed). 

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #73 on: May 17, 2006, 02:38:17 pm »
Well... at least then you've got AWD and a backseat to make it a "practical" 4-seasons machine.   :P  ...and of course the Porsche crest for you brand whores.  ha ha...

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #74 on: May 17, 2006, 02:59:30 pm »
Gwendly, the Z06 might not give you the tingly sitting in it, but on the 0-60 run you might be getting some other sensations ;)

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2006, 03:01:17 pm »
Gwendly, the Z06 might not give you the tingly sitting in it, but on the 0-60 run you might be getting some other sensations ;)

Indeed.  Sweating, shortness of breath, adrenalin, exhilaration...  ;)

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« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2006, 04:23:14 pm »
Gwendly, the Z06 might not give you the tingly sitting in it, but on the 0-60 run you might be getting some other sensations ;)

It probably would :)

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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #77 on: May 23, 2006, 10:27:16 pm »
This copy of the clip seems to be a bit better quality than the one already posted.
http://media.putfile.com/Top-Gear-Z06
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Re: Z06 vs The Stig!
« Reply #78 on: May 23, 2006, 10:50:37 pm »
ok ok so I'm a badge whore, big deal, I love the 911, nothing against the vette - it's just not my cup of tea - I personally dont care if I can smoke a guy off the line cuz I drive in the city or on one of the highways in toronto and never really get a chance to drive a car very hard - I was driving in my neighborhood last week and saw a new vette in someones driveway, I thought it was a nice car but then I drove by a 911 and was in love all over again, it makes no difference to me that there's a ton of 911's around here, everytime I see one it gets me going, a vette just doesn't do that

agreed 100%. I *can* respect the performance numbers of the 'Vette. I won't bash it.

BUT it doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't do anything for any of my friends either, whether back in college or my current co-workers who I chat about cars with.

I'm not a racer or a ricer - but I'd take a 911 any day of the week.

Coincidentally on the topic of NSX's, when I went shopping for my 1.7EL back in March I hit all the Acura stealerships in Toronto. About half of them had an NSX for sale. Nice car (sat in a mint NSX, 1991 I think). I'd still take a 911 over it. :)