Topic: Z06 vs The Stig!

[Turbo Bob]

Beats the Murcielago, Zonda, and original Koenigsegg!!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml

[Wolfe]

4.4 seconds better than the regular Corvette. 


What I find really impressive is that the Holden Monaro (using the last gen corvette engine with only slightly less power than the current corvette) and the Cadillac CTS (I'm assuming it's the CTS-V with the corvette engine) are at least 6.5 seconds behind the C6 corvette.

It just shows how good the new Corvette is. 

[a4_tom]

Corvette Z06 is such a spectacular machinery, only cars costing twice as much match its performance.

[johngenx]

$95,000 sounds like a ton of money.  But, consider the segment the Z-06 plays in.  Who comes to the table with that kind of performance?  Only the true exotics, and look at the price tags of those players.

Reality check for the "Corvette Quality" card-players: ALL the cars in the exotic category SUCK with respect to real-world reliability and build quality.  I would be willing to bet that the Vette actually has better build quality and real-world serviceability than pretty much any of the cars on that list.

As much as I think the Viper is cool, let's face it, it's like a WWE guy going up against Jet Li.  Sure, it's a helluva fight, but I always root for the skinny guy with hidden muscles...  (though the Vette Z-06 is no longer as subtle, eh?)

I'm a Porsche FREAK, but the 911 line-up looks pretty pathetic compared to the Z-06.  You have to spend nearly $200K on the TT to get close.  Seriously, at the car show I saw a $93,000 Cayman.  How much more is the Z-06?  Hhhm.  I can have a 505hp 427ci race-car that looks HOT-HOT-HOT or the "but it's a Porsche" Cayman?  Uh, seems like a no-brainer!

The only potential downer of dirving a Z-06 is that you'd be like Clint in an old western: everyone would be looking to draw...

[BJB]

I sort of disagree with you Johngenx,

I don't even think the vette and the 911 are competitors, I'd say someone who wants a performance machine would go for a vette as the "value" in those cars are huge considering the performance, wheras if you want the prestige that says I've made it and have a car most people think can kick ass they'd get a 911

I just think they have two totally different buyers..and as for me, well I'd take a 911 anyday over a vette cuz seriously where would I be able to show the performance difference (others may go to autocross or car places but I don't go to those and would just use a 911 as a daily driver, where an extra X horsepower makes no difference when we're talkiing about cars in this "category")

[rrocket]

I talked to a 2006 Z06 potential owner the other day while I was in my Supra.  He stopped at a gas station to top up..he was on an extended (weekend) test drive.  As is the case when I'm out in the Supra, I get alot of people asking about the car.  The Z06 driver came up to me and asked the usual questions.  He asked if he could sit in my Supra.  I told him to go ahead.  And his own word's were "This interior is pretty nice.  Not too much different from the Z06 really. What year is this?  A 2000?"  When I told him it was a 1994, his face dropped. You could see that he was realizing the interior in the Vette wasn't as nice as a $95,000 new car should be...especially compared to a 12 year old car.  I admit, the Z06 interior is a bit nicer...but only because of the 2 tone silver design it had.  The plastics were a teeny bit softer on the center console and the dash..that's about it though.  So when GM says their interior is world class..it's not.

No..I think I'll stick with my lightly modded Supra.  Sure you could spend $95,000 on the Z06 or about $40,000 on a car modded like mine and have all the performance of the Vette.

My car matches up nicely....500HP, .98G on the skidpad, same fuel mileage, 60-0 braking is 112ft (Z06 is 115 feet), same 1/4 mile times (but I need to be on slicks to do it).  It does have a couple nicer options...like navi, and I do lust after the instantaneous torque the Z06 makes, but all in all, my Supra is a top notch performer...for WAAAYYY less money.   For the average stiff who works for a living, the Z06 has a steeep price.  You get alot for  a turn-key car though.  But there are several other cars that you could mod and get the same performance for tens of thousands less.  (500HP STi, anyone?)  And don't be fooled...GM quality even in the Z06 isn't that impressive...

[vz64]

Z06 is one of few American cars that I appreciate - it is light, powerful, and agile; it consistently beats exotics around race tracks, and I don't care much about interior.  Powered-up Supra--which is already a heavy car---is  not a match for Z06 (well, maybe interior-wise). Supra would need some serious (and VERY expensive) weight-saving and suspension mods to come close (and then it will not be a bargain anymore). 500 hp STi without similar mods will also fail miserably to match 06 around track. The fastest STi (Spec C) that was able to break 8 min at Nurburgring had "only" 270 hp, but it was around 3000 lb and it handled beautifully!

[Giant Dwarf]

Rrocket, the Supra Turbos that aren't made to look "fast n' furious" are all around $40,000 to start.  Add to that the mods to make it competitive with the Z06 and you're adding, what.. another $20k?  True, there's still a SUBSTANTIAL price variance there, but the Z06 is bone-stock, driven out of the showroom, under full warranty and servicable at any one of a half-zillion dealerships anywhere in N.America.  Don't get me wrong, a modded Supra is probably one of VERY few significantly modded vehicles that can play with the really big dogs on most performance levels but they're becoming rarer and rarer all the time and as good as Toyota's build quality is, a 700 hp 12-15 year old car is going to start needing a lot of care.  Plus... the styling of the Supra isn't for everyone (many loathe that F40 style wing).  I love the Supra more than most cars (especially your car!) but I'm with Johngenx on the Z06's prowess. 

Baumer, you're not helping Porsche's rep at all (you, MDXtasy, Johngenx and me are probably the most insane Porsche fanatics on this forum) but you're basically saying that one should only choose the 911 over the Z06 if you're more interested in image and being a poseur.  To me, I'd carefully weigh the options between a Z06 and spending more on a Carrera4S because of the potential all-season use of the Porsche, greater practicality of having two (ahem) 'jumpseats' and, yes, the class and lineage of the fine German marque. 

Now... a Z06 and an Audi RS4 would be a damn-near perfect garage for me. 

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/FCD20ABF-DC8D-49DE-A946-BECE142531CB.htm

[mdxtasy]

Rrocket, the Supra Turbos that aren't made to look "fast n' furious" are all around $40,000 to start.  Add to that the mods to make it competitive with the Z06 and you're adding, what.. another $20k?  True, there's still a SUBSTANTIAL price variance there, but the Z06 is bone-stock, driven out of the showroom, under full warranty and servicable at any one of a half-zillion dealerships anywhere in N.America.  Don't get me wrong, a modded Supra is probably one of VERY few significantly modded vehicles that can play with the really big dogs on most performance levels but they're becoming rarer and rarer all the time and as good as Toyota's build quality is, a 700 hp 12-15 year old car is going to start needing a lot of care.  Plus... the styling of the Supra isn't for everyone (many loathe that F40 style wing).  I love the Supra more than most cars (especially your car!) but I'm with Johngenx on the Z06's prowess. 

Baumer, you're not helping Porsche's rep at all (you, MDXtasy, Johngenx and me are probably the most insane Porsche fanatics on this forum) but you're basically saying that one should only choose the 911 over the Z06 if you're more interested in image and being a poseur.  To me, I'd carefully weigh the options between a Z06 and spending more on a Carrera4S because of the potential all-season use of the Porsche, greater practicality of having two (ahem) 'jumpseats' and, yes, the class and lineage of the fine German marque. 

Now... a Z06 and an Audi RS4 would be a damn-near perfect garage for me. 

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/FCD20ABF-DC8D-49DE-A946-BECE142531CB.htm

Dwarf....you've got a good head on your shoulders.  The Supra is nice, but not nice enough for me.  I am one who thinks the wing is more of a basket handle than anything, the front lights are a bit on the large side, but other than that, the car looks pretty good.  Power wise, the car can rock.  However, for my $40k in the used car market, I'm siding on the 911 side, as well as an NSX. 

Z06 vs. 911?  Bang for buck performance is Z06.  Corvette has always played this card when going head to head against the other big bruisers.  Germans makes will never compete in this category.  I'll go with a Nine Eleven.  I don't care if a Z06 blows me off the line.  Like the Giant says, the 911 offers classic style, great performance and general practicality.  It's the real deal.  It covers all dimensions of what a car should do. 

[safristi]

Warnin  GERM'an Flu  Epidemic hitting Can Drivers Forum ...these Birds are so "infected" that even "invective " shots can NOT save them......... ...why does a '65 VW with an inverted bathtub and a rear engine modification bring out the WEIRDOES?................


 

[initial_D]

Dwarf....you've got a good head on your shoulders. 

That is about the size of him. 

Sorry, GD. Last comment. Today. 

Serious tho,  if you spend enough dough, you can make a Chrysler Mini CrapVan go thru the 1/4 less than 9 seconds. Horse power numbers and track bragging ability is not all there is about owning a sports car.

[ghost]

What the Z06 lacks vs a similarly priced Porsche... Resale Value. Monthly payment for a used Z06 will be cheaper than the insurance rate that it will incur. LOL!!!

[a4_tom]

996's resale value isn't so spectacular for a Porsche. 993, however, fares much better in this category simply because its the last of the aircooled Porsche. We will have to see how 997's resale goes 3 years down the road.

[rrocket]

Powered-up Supra--which is already a heavy car---is  not a match for Z06 (well, maybe interior-wise). Supra would need some serious (and VERY expensive) weight-saving and suspension mods to come close (and then it will not be a bargain anymore). 500 hp STi without similar mods will also fail miserably to match 06 around track. The fastest STi (Spec C) that was able to break 8 min at Nurburgring had "only" 270 hp, but it was around 3000 lb and it handled beautifully!

Not true!!  Most people don't know the history/prowess of the Supra, and how good it really was!  When they think Supra, they think Fast and Furious.  But the truth is, when the Supra came out, it was pitted against Vipers, NSXs, C5s, ZR-1's. 911 Turbos, Ferraris, Lotus Esprit Turbo, and it won these shoot-outs again and again and again.  The .98 G handling on the skidpad is on STOCK suspension (not bad for 1994, eh?).  To be fair, the handling got softer in 1997-1998 though. The braking I have seen as low as 109 feet (and it held a magazines outright braking record until 2002!!).  These brakes are 12.7" front and 12.8" rear..some of the biggest during that time and still rather large even by todays standards all...being gripped with massive 4 piston calipers.  I also have benefit of newer brake pad compounds.  The Supra is not a feather, but isn't horribly heavy...on the scales mine weighed 122 more pounds than a C5 (the C6 is a bit lighter still), and the C5 wasn't considered horribly overweight.  The modification needed to get to 450 horsepower can cost around $1000  To get to 500 it's can cost around $1000 more.  So as stock, the Supra delivers world-class handling and braking.  It's stock 320HP is down though.  So for a few thousand it gets bumped to 500HP, then you put modern tires on the car and modern brake pads and it's every bit as good as most any new car.  And maintenance?  Nil.  I change the plugs when I change the oil.  Will things break?  I suppose.  But my car is more reliable than friend's C5s they have owned...can't speak of the C6 in this regard though since I din't know.  My close friend has a 2002 996 Turbo that has been modded to 550 HP.  From a stop..it's no contest...his 996 pulls the paint off my car.  It's mental fast!  But from a rolling race he does pull me..but not by much!  I'll stand by my statement. If I wanted to marginally improve my performance I'd have to sell my car and pony up another $55,000 to get a Z06.  Sorry...I don't think it's worth it. There are cars than can be made to handle and accelerate better.  Want to read all about how amazing the Supra was?  I have links to every shootout of the era if anyone wants them....

[mdxtasy]

Damn....you can modify a Talon to run just as quick.....imagine what a $45K Talon could do when the purchase price of a used on is $5k. 

[quadzilla]

Not true!!  Most people don't know the history/prowess of the Supra, and how good it really was!  When they think Supra, they think Fast and Furious.  But the truth is, when the Supra came out, it was pitted against Vipers, NSXs, C5s, ZR-1's. 911 Turbos, Ferraris, Lotus Esprit Turbo, and it won these shoot-outs again and again and again.

I know you are talking about the Mk IV Supras but when I think about the Supra I think about my buddies MK I (1981 with 5 speed) that only had 116hp/145tq.  He drove the out of that and the only two things he broke were the speed-cable and clutch (100% abuse).  The speed-cable quit at 250,000kms and he thinks he sold it around 350K. He never really did any maintenance to that car but it sure was a fun car in its day.

[Turbo Bob]

Serious tho,  if you spend enough dough, you can make a Chrysler Mini CrapVan go thru the 1/4 less than 9 seconds. Horse power numbers and track bragging ability is not all there is about owning a sports car.

Sooooooooo true Initial, an intelligent post indeed! 

No point comparing stock with modified cars, a modified Supra will be faster than a stock F355, but I bet a modified F40 will be faster than most things that come out of Yapan... I bet my kitchen table could post a sub 9sec qtr mile with enough money behind it!    Life also has corners...

At the end of the day the Z06 is a great car, and Johngenx is right, you have a good look into the cabin of that dream F355, oh my god the quality is shockingly bad!    I'd still kill for one though, I love Japanese cars, especially the Supra, but the Fezza has passion in buckets...
 

[vz64]

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The .98 G handling on the skidpad is on STOCK suspension (not bad for 1994, eh?). 
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Grip and handling are two independent variables - you can have tons of grip, but mediocre handling. Handling is all about fast transitions! Supras are great for getting tons of reliable power for very cheap, so it makes a perfect 1/4 mile warrior. From my (limited, I admit) experience at the race tracks, I see Supras much more often at the dragstrip area than at the main track.

BTW, I am not judging Supra by F&F - I knew about the car long before that stupid movie came out.

[ghost]

I dunno. In GT4, my Supra was kinda slow. 

Yeah comparing a modded car to a stock car which has full warranty and such is a total moot point. I saw a modded 240sx posted 9sec to the 1/4. So what? Do I want it over even a brand new 350z that posted 14sec? No way!

[BJB]

Baumer, you're not helping Porsche's rep at all (you, MDXtasy, Johngenx and me are probably the most insane Porsche fanatics on this forum) but you're basically saying that one should only choose the 911 over the Z06 if you're more interested in image and being a poseur.  To me, I'd carefully weigh the options between a Z06 and spending more on a Carrera4S because of the potential all-season use of the Porsche, greater practicality of having two (ahem) 'jumpseats' and, yes, the class and lineage of the fine German marque. 

Well to a point that's what I'm saying, I would also say that a 911 to me is a classy timeless ride, when I think of a vette I just don't think of that, it just seems like a totally different demographic and I would rather be thought of in the porsche demographic then the vette one, just personal preference