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Options tied to big engines
« on: March 20, 2006, 07:44:03 am »
I hate cars and SUV's that have engine choices. The reason is that I more often than not would want the smaller more fuel efficient engine and with this engine choice you cannot equip the vehicle with top line options.

I like sunroof and leather and was considering a Hyundia Tuscon or Mazda Tribute with 4 cyl. All the high end options are tied to getting the 6 cyl engine. I could not even get cruise control on the 4 cyl Hyundia. It drive me nuts!!!!! It seems to happen in every car/truck that has engine choices.

Why why why. What does wanting a sunroof have to do with having a 6 cyl engine is under the hood?

As a result every SUV that offers a 4 and 6 cyl option is out of running as I cannot get the 4 cyl fully equipped the way I like it.

Hello Hyundia and Mazda you just lost a potential customer.

I bet now that the new RAV4 has a 6 cyl option the same will be true for it as well.

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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 08:37:51 am »
Its true to some extent. You only get side airbags in the new RAV4 on the highest trim, Limited V6. Price hikes upwards of 40k if you want to get that option.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 07:46:25 pm »
Manufacturers want to keep it simple. The more options they attempt to offer, the more it costs complicated it gets (planning manufacturing, distribution, marketing etc.). COmplexity costs money. Make it simple. Start from a base model and add trim levels that add a bunch of features based on what customers normally pay. The person willing to pay for the big engine is more likely to want the leather interior or the sunroof or the bigger tires etc. It generally makes sense and anything that helps save money helps the seller & the buyer, but is of little comfort to anyone with specific tastes/needs.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 12:02:30 am »
Sometimes the larger engine is required as some of these options weigh more then enough to strain the smallest engine and Alt to run them. Some options take a lot of hydro to operate them and the alt on a smaller engine will not handle them correctly. Not enough output. You have to go to a larger engine to get the alt voltage you require  for the vehicle to have a proper lifespan.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2006, 08:13:02 am »
Leather seats & sunroof can still work pretty good with a 4 cyl engine.

Anyways I know almost all car makers restrict some options to larger engines. I was just ranting as it drive me nuts. I like the luxury but simply hate to spend money on gas. It is just the way I am.

This leads to buy cars/suvs that offer only 4 cyl engines.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 08:29:26 am »
Yup, Ford Fusion offers leather only in the 6 cyl as well.  Ford expects their biggest seller to be the SE (4-cyl with Auto)
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 08:49:49 am »
2006 RAV4 has a sunroof on a 4-cyl model. No leather, however, but if you're a big leather fan you can always get it installed aftermarket. Both CR-V and Forester offer sunroof & leather together with a 4-cyl engine.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2006, 09:05:47 am »
Quote from: slybry on March 21, 2006, 08:13:02 am
I like the luxury but simply hate to spend money on gas. It is just the way I am.


A luxurious economy car.   :rofl:
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2006, 11:01:44 am »
The answer is plain and simple Cost vs. Benefit. It COSTS more to gain you as a customer than it does to have you buy something else...in the short run.  If it was the US, then you could have your cake and eat it too, but in Canada, the market is just too small.  There are minmum production commitments, cost of storing dealer stocking extra models...etc.etc.etc...it's not that simple and all product brought in are carefully analyzed to ensure optimal profitability.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2006, 11:10:44 am »
Quote from: slybry on March 21, 2006, 08:13:02 am
Leather seats & sunroof can still work pretty good with a 4 cyl engine.

Anyways I know almost all car makers restrict some options to larger engines. I was just ranting as it drive me nuts. I like the luxury but simply hate to spend money on gas. It is just the way I am.

This leads to buy cars/suvs that offer only 4 cyl engines.


Get a CSX... you get everything you want in a nice little package with an efficient 4-cylinder engine. Or a TSX...
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 12:03:56 pm »
Quote from: Shnak on March 21, 2006, 11:10:44 am
Get a CSX... you get everything you want in a nice little package with an efficient 4-cylinder engine. Or a TSX...

CSX. Exactly. Compact luxury.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 12:11:35 pm »
But now that I think about it, this thread is posted in the SUV Discussion section... so it seems likely that he's looking at getting a SUV, and not a small car...  :P

This pretty much restricts your options to the Forester, CR-V and X-Trail... aka compact SUVs that only offer 4-cylinders. But to be honest, that's a pretty good group of vehicles, and wouldn't mind having to pick one of these without looking elsewhere.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2006, 01:57:17 pm »
  Yes.....I want something like an small 4 cyl SUV or maybe a wagon. Want room to carry crap. Want it very well equipped with alloys and sunroof and maybe leather.

  If it were up to me I would be driving an XTrail right now. The truth is my wife has a say in descision (does help pay for the thing) and she hates the looks. Too bad because it has all that I need and want. I still working on her but it will be a hard sell.

-  Rav4 / CRV hate the side opeing tailgate.
- Tuscon / Escape / Tribute cannot get sunroof without V6.
- Just do not like or trust Subarus (please no preaching I just do not think they are as reliable as people make them out to be).

  Now leaning toward Matrix but worried about power and the fact that re-design is just around the corner. The higher powered engine only kicks in at high revs. Little differnce in everyday driving.

  Maybe Mazda 3 sport .... who knows. Very confused at the momment.


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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2006, 02:07:47 pm »
You won't get any luxury at all with a Matrix...

And there aren't many brands out there that I'd trust my money with more than Subaru... the Forester has been around for 8 years now, and I have never heard of a 'bad one' or someone having problems with one.

Just so you know, Mazda is far behind Subaru in terms of reliability...
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2006, 08:34:39 pm »
How about Jeepo.
If you need economy - you need diesel engine. Why at this case Jeep Liberty diesel version is on the top of the price line with all of these crap.
Sorry, options.
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Re: Options tied to big engines
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2006, 09:28:31 pm »
Quote from: slybry on March 21, 2006, 01:57:17 pm
  Yes.....I want something like an small 4 cyl SUV or maybe a wagon. Want room to carry crap. Want it very well equipped with alloys and sunroof and maybe leather.

  If it were up to me I would be driving an XTrail right now. The truth is my wife has a say in descision (does help pay for the thing) and she hates the looks. Too bad because it has all that I need and want. I still working on her but it will be a hard sell.

-  Rav4 / CRV hate the side opeing tailgate.
- Tuscon / Escape / Tribute cannot get sunroof without V6.
- Just do not like or trust Subarus (please no preaching I just do not think they are as reliable as people make them out to be).

  Now leaning toward Matrix but worried about power and the fact that re-design is just around the corner. The higher powered engine only kicks in at high revs. Little differnce in everyday driving.

  Maybe Mazda 3 sport .... who knows. Very confused at the momment.



A Honda Element Y-package has the features you want. 4 cylinder, tailgate instead of swing door, rear sunroof only and alloys, lots of room for crap... ;)
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