Author Topic: 97 Acura 1.6EL Automatic Transmission Filter (Read 3021 times)

canadianexpress · « **on:** March 16, 2006, 10:35:06 am »

Good Day

I am wondering if there is a filter to change when you do the tranny fluid change. In the past, I have only seen the mechanic drain the pan and refill.

Thanks in Advance

barrie1 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2006, 03:35:12 pm »

Not sure on this model as some do and some don't. I would call your local Acura dealer's parts dept and ask him on the ph. He will know the answer and have the part if required as well.

articsteve · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2006, 04:57:32 pm »

No filter for that transmission. Drain and refill every 16K km. That would be about 3 litres of Honda approved fluid which is very specific to their transmissions.

footlong58 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:24:00 am »

Quote from: articsteve on March 16, 2006, 04:57:32 pm

No filter for that transmission. Drain and refill every 16K km. That would be about 3 litres of Honda approved fluid which is very specific to their transmissions.

Yup... None of our trannies use filters, all internal... 3L of Honda ATF Z-1...

slybry · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2006, 08:01:01 am »

Drain and refil every 16,000 kms? You have to be kidding.

My maintenance schedule shows every 48,000 kms.

articsteve · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2006, 12:57:07 pm »

Quote from: slybry on March 18, 2006, 08:01:01 am

Drain and refil every 16,000 kms? You have to be kidding.

My maintenance schedule shows every 48,000 kms.

Every 48K is referring to a TOTAL exchange. For a DIY dumping 3 litres every second oil change is less expensive, better on the tranny and more practical. That's what I do one my winter Saab which holds 4 litres in the pan.

footlong58 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2006, 10:58:39 pm »

Quote from: articsteve on March 18, 2006, 12:57:07 pm

Every 48K is referring to a TOTAL exchange. For a DIY dumping 3 litres every second oil change is less expensive, better on the tranny and more practical. That's what I do one my winter Saab which holds 4 litres in the pan.

The drop the pan, discard the fluid in the pan, and pop in a new filter doesn't apply...

EL's don't have pans... just a drain bolt... When you drain it from the bolt, you are estentially draining ALL of the fluid... This is un-necessary and un-practical every 16,000 kms... You won't be spending un-necessary money either... Follow Acura's suggested maintenence and you will enjoy many miles in you EL...

articsteve · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2006, 04:12:30 am »

Quote from: footlong58 on March 19, 2006, 10:58:39 pm

The drop the pan, discard the fluid in the pan, and pop in a new filter doesn't apply...

EL's don't have pans... just a drain bolt... When you drain it from the bolt, you are estentially draining ALL of the fluid... This is un-necessary and un-practical every 16,000 kms... You won't be spending un-necessary money either... Follow Acura's suggested maintenence and you will enjoy many miles in you EL...

The drop the pan, discard the fluid in the pan, and pop in a new filter doesn't apply...

EL's don't have pans... just a drain bolt...

Why are you quoting me? Who are you talking to here? I don't see anybody mentioning that the pan needs to be dropped and that there is no drain bolt. We know that and we know that there is no normally replaced filter.

I wouldn't recommend following Honda's instructions on the transmission service interval because companies are reluctant to state that their vehicles need more than the competition. Such as 5 year or 160,000 km coolant which is pure rubbish, but due to marketing considerations they state that sort of thing. I admit that 16k might be a bit early on a 1.6 auto but I think that 24K would be the maximum. It is only 3 litres so where is the expense in that?

The problem with the Honda 1.6 and other small motor autos is that they tend to shift frequently and they use relatively little fluid so its under quite a bit of stress and then its having to run thru a dirty internal filter that never gets changed. In addition there is fluid in the tranny cooler lines that doesn't drain out.

To top that all off Honda never had in the 90's a reputation for their automatics like they did for their motors. Maybe it was because their fluid cooked inside them. Toyotas of that period had a reputation for more reliable automatics.

barrie1 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2006, 11:15:26 pm »

To me I would rather have a tranny that has a filter so I know something besides the fluid alone is looking after the rest of it. tHe heat stress's alone are more then enough to do serious harm to any car. I also know that with a filter in it it will genrally live a long er life span as it carries more fluid for cooling as well. A Good engine up front is only part of the reason why a car will last for a long time. The tranny does most of the work for it.

kmak · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2006, 01:04:04 am »

...there is a filter in the 1.6EL. You have to disassemble the tranny to replace it mind you.

I buy 3 litres of Honda ATF and change my 96 Ody every 3rd LOF. Still shifts like a dream. Cheap insurance I figure.

maritime_storm · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2006, 05:55:19 am »

More frequent maintenance=money saved in major repairs later.

yugrus · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2006, 10:26:58 am »

Quote from: footlong58 on March 19, 2006, 10:58:39 pm

When you drain it from the bolt, you are estentially draining ALL of the fluid...

This is not correct. Almost the same amount of the fluid, if not more, remains in the torque converter and may be in the cooler.

articsteve · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2006, 10:35:59 am »

Quote from: yugrus on March 23, 2006, 10:26:58 am

This is not correct. Almost the same amount of the fluid, if not more, remains in the torque converter and may be in the cooler.

Not in these units. That is why it is important to change very frequently because there is so little fluid in a robust tranny forever shifting up and down. Honda says every 96K on 2001 Civics which is preposterous.

barrie1 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2006, 02:31:41 pm »

To me this not sound like a tranny design I would want to own. Sounds like a lot of possible problems that other makes don't have with the filter systems in them.

mrthompson · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2006, 02:36:02 pm »

yugrus · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2006, 02:44:02 pm »

Quote from: articsteve on March 23, 2006, 10:35:59 am

Not in these units.

I guess I have to do a research on that. Pretty interesting. So if it has torque converter, how does it drain itself through the tranny plug? Interesting...

gosteelerz · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2006, 07:04:39 pm »

Quote from: barrie1 on March 23, 2006, 02:31:41 pm

To me this not sound like a tranny design I would want to own. Sounds like a lot of possible problems that other makes don't have with the filter systems in them.

Actually it's no a bad concept. You are basically always running on fresh fluid which in theory should never get a chance to build up contamination. Your tranny fluid has the job of lubricating, cooling and transmitting fluid power to your torque converter, I would prefer the fresh stuff to do this.

I find the 90's Civic trannys to be fairly harsh shifting but at the same time quite reliable.

If you change your oil every 5000 km's and coolant every other year and tranny fluid 24K (for Civics) your powertrain should outlast the rest of your car.

articsteve · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2006, 07:39:07 pm »

Quote from: yugrus on March 23, 2006, 02:44:02 pm

I guess I have to do a research on that. Pretty interesting. So if it has torque converter, how does it drain itself through the tranny plug? Interesting...

I dunno, maybe its because the converter is the size of a can of tuna.

articsteve · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2006, 07:40:25 pm »

Quote from: barrie1 on March 23, 2006, 02:31:41 pm

To me this not sound like a tranny design I would want to own. Sounds like a lot of possible problems that other makes don't have with the filter systems in them.

My Saab has no tranny filter and it is a GM product.

juice_newton · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2006, 11:57:37 am »

Fluid degradation is the main concern when dealing with automatics. Flushing becomes a necessity. Manual tranies on the other hand can be serviced quite easily. I do my own fluid changes on both my cars. Drain and fill.

Manual transmissions only really require the "fluid" to be changed to remove debris/contaminants.

Steve,

How do you service your manual transmissions?? Just looking for some insight.

Cheers