Topic: New or rebuilt engines - is it normal to burn oil for a while??

[articsteve]

I wouldn't say that.  They did  pawn off a ring job earlier that was clearly ridiculous given the type of motor. (read my posts).

You mean the Monkey Dance? AS.

Well, if it was a Dodge/Chrysler product, we will be discussing something different.   

You mean the Monkey Dance?  Oh ya that.   

You know whats really bad is when they make you do the monkey dance and then they tell you too bad. 

Well, if it was a Dodge/Chrysler product, we will be discussing something different.

So true.  Most likely how to build a website. 

[curls]

I wouldn't say that.  They did  pawn off a ring job earlier that was clearly ridiculous given the type of motor. (read my posts).

Does anyone know exactly what will be in the short block?  Is it JUST the block, or is it block, pistons, crank, bearings, etc... ?

Yes, thats what it will be which is good.  No oil pan, no oil pump, nothing like that.  They will be installing a zillion new gaskets.

Personally, I'd spring for a new water pump and thermostat now as well as upper and low rad hoses and any little by-pass hoses if the exist.

 

Yes, thats what it will be which is good.

"That" meaning the complete thing, or just the block w/o internals?

I'm paranoid, yes.

[articsteve]

Short block, long block?

http://www.enginefactory.com/Block_Descriptions.htm

Not true? 

It think your site was too general.  To me short block is the cylinder block with pistons installed. Long block is that plus installed heads but stripped on any gears and timing chains, pumps, manifolds, etc. and then the crate motor which is usually a custom racing motor that is just drop in; oil is in it and it's been run on a dyno.

[articsteve]

Yes, thats what it will be which is good.

"That" meaning the complete thing, or just the block w/o internals?

I'm paranoid, yes.

I can't believe for a moment that they are going to give the dealership a hollow engine block.  I just doesn't work like that.  A short block is a short block.  Maybe it will come with a new oil pump and pan which is a bonus.  You better double check, but I'm sure its not going to happen.  Let us know when you want to sell it. Cheap. 

[barrie1]

This short block should have at least the pistons,rods, main crank and connecting bearings. I can possibily see them swithching the pan and oil pump plus the rest of the engine in the exchange. All of your gaskets will be new of course. so now is the time to do the water pump and whatever else it needs even in its normal lifetime service times. 

[curls]

I was checking the scheduled maintenance, and nowhere does it mention the water pump.

With a chain-driven engine, is the water pump normally replaced, ever?

I don't mind springing for it if its required in the next few years, but if its a lifetime service pump (if they exist?), then I might reconsider.

[Benhaze]

The water pump is not subject to regular maintenance. However, they can sometime corrodes (the water pump impeller) or their seal can start leaking because of wear and tear. The water pump is hardly accessible in the vehicle, most of the time, and can be very expensive to replace. This would be a preventive move since the engine is out of the vehicle.

[curls]

Thursday is the big day.

The service advisor didn't know if it was the block or a complete shortblock, as it was still in a bigass crate, but I'll double check next week.

Updates to follow!!

[maritime_storm]

Actually ben, on most engine where the timing belt/chain drives the water pump it is recommended to replace the pump at each belt change.

[curls]

Well well well... dropped the car off this morning, and whaddya know, they only got the hollow block (no internals).  Supposedly Acura said they would only warranty the block itself (for now) and have the tech check all of the clearances (piston out-of-round, etc...) before completely reassembling.  I did express a lot of disappointment to them that there is still a chance I'll be back AGAIN for work if this doesn't fix the problem...

So, not a complete short block (that would be logical).  Still, better than nothing, and hey, anyone know about the lemon laws? (3 attempts at the same repair, I believe?).

On a positive note, I have a CSX w/ the paddle shifting as a loaner.  Pretty fun car once I found a comfortable seating position (that was a lot of work actually).

[yugrus]

..anyone know about the lemon laws? (3 attempts at the same repair, I believe?).

I'd say forget it, we're in Canada, no Lemon laws.
I agree, it is very disappointing that they go with the hollow block. I can't really get that, this whole procedure will be way more expensive then the short block swap. May be the dealer or distributor screwed something up while ordering. Or they wanted to make some more money out of that repair, and ordered just an empty block. If Acura covers this kind of fix, why not then...

[curls]

After my last post i called the dealer and talked to the operations manager who was dealing with my car problem a few months ago.  He said he's NEVER heard of them ordering a hollow block, and would be shocked if Acura would even send one.

He's getting back to me with the details of exactly what was ordered, sometime today.

EDIT:  Yes, its a complete shortblock... 

[Benhaze]

Keep us up to speed.  Just a block doesn't make sense. But my family had good experience with Honda for warranty claims, though a long time ago...

[curls]

Got the car back! (again!)

Everything looks good, the new block is nice and shiny, and they made a very good effort to tell me "drive like a 90-year old grandma, who knows stick, for 3000km". The service advisor was told explicitly by the head technician, to tell me that. LOL.

Anyhow, I wanted to verify with my own eyes, whether the internals were new. So, I popped the hood, looked down the spark plug holes, and noticed a nice shiny new piston staring up at me. Very very little carbonization, meaning they were just run for a few minutes and then the keys handed to me.

The work order is in the mail and I'll have a detailed list of EXACTLY what was done, sometime next week (the service advisor was still closing the order, but I had to go, so they're mailing it to me).

WOOOOO!!!!!!!

[AVToller]

Congratulations and good luck. Let's hope that is the last of it!!! 

[Benhaze]

Got the car back! (again!)

Everything looks good, the new block is nice and shiny, and they made a very good effort to tell me "drive like a 90-year old grandma, who knows stick, for 3000km". The service advisor was told explicitly by the head technician, to tell me that. LOL.

Anyhow, I wanted to verify with my own eyes, whether the internals were new. So, I popped the hood, looked down the spark plug holes, and noticed a nice shiny new piston staring up at me. Very very little carbonization, meaning they were just run for a few minutes and then the keys handed to me.

The work order is in the mail and I'll have a detailed list of EXACTLY what was done, sometime next week (the service advisor was still closing the order, but I had to go, so they're mailing it to me).

WOOOOO!!!!!!!

[curls]

Just an update:

1000km into the new engine, and NOT A DROP OF OIL BURNED!!!!!   

Makes me really wonder WTF was wrong with the old block...

[AVToller]

Sounds really good! Happy  for many, many kilometres I hope! 

[barrie1]

Glad to hear a Happy ending for a change.