CD Article: 2006 Acura CSX

[gosteelerz]

If you can afford the premium version of this car why not just get the TSX.

just responding to this point only:

2006 CSX Premium with Auto, taxable total $30,680

2006 TSX with Auto, taxable total $38,630

An 8 grand difference ain't nothing to sniff at. And after tax, 8 grand becomes $9200

Let's talk about 8 grand.  That's about the difference between the Civc EX and the CSX Premium for that you get.

Heated leather seats.
Climate control.
A sport tuned rear sway bar
HIDs
Paddle shifter
And about 10% more power some of which is negated by the extra mass.

That is not exactly great value when you compare spending 3 grand for the Si which you get.

30% more power.
LSD
Much nicer seats.
Superior 6-Speed gearbox.
17" rims
Completely revised suspension.
Subwoofer

The only drawback being that it is a 2-door.

[Shnak]

And about 10% more power some of which is negated by the extra mass.

10% more power, AND more low-end torque... that has to make a big difference...

Plus, the CSX only weights 80kg more than  he Civic... that isn't that big of a difference, and I'm sure the CSX engine more than makes up for this increase in weight.

And you forgot that you also get a 6CD in-dash audio system with the CSX Premium...

[gosteelerz]

And about 10% more power some of which is negated by the extra mass.

10% more power, AND more low-end torque... that has to make a big difference...

Plus, the CSX only weights 80kg more than  he Civic... that isn't that big of a difference, and I'm sure the CSX engine more than makes up for this increase in weight.

And you forgot that you also get a 6CD in-dash audio system with the CSX Premium...

You're right I did miss the 6CD in-dash which is a nice feature.  As for the power issue, some quick calculations.

With CSX you gain 8.5% torque and 6% in mass, horsepower increases by 10.7%.  The gain in HP versus the torque would lead me to believe that the 2.0 is just as much a revver as the 1.8 and have similar torque curves.

[Shnak]

And about 10% more power some of which is negated by the extra mass.

10% more power, AND more low-end torque... that has to make a big difference...

Plus, the CSX only weights 80kg more than  he Civic... that isn't that big of a difference, and I'm sure the CSX engine more than makes up for this increase in weight.

And you forgot that you also get a 6CD in-dash audio system with the CSX Premium...

You're right I did miss the 6CD in-dash which is a nice feature.  As for the power issue, some quick calculations.

With CSX you gain 8.5% torque and 6% in mass, horsepower increases by 10.7%.  The gain in HP versus the torque would lead me to believe that the 2.0 is just as much a revver as the 1.8 and have similar torque curves.

Pretty sure the 2.0L hits its torque at a much lower RPM than the 1.8L... so it will feel more powerful without needing to rev it up, or shift down constantly.

EDIT: actually, the Civic has 128@4300 of torque, while the CSX has 139@4500 of torque... but still, given the choice, I'd want the 2.0L.

[gosteelerz]

Pretty sure the 2.0L hits its torque at a much lower RPM than the 1.8L... so it will feel more powerful without needing to rev it up, or shift down constantly.

EDIT: actually, the Civic has 128@4300 of torque, while the CSX has 139@4500 of torque... but still, given the choice, I'd want the 2.0L.

I would be curious to see if they are geared the same.  Doesn't really say on the websites.

[a4_tom]

According to Honda Canada's sales training booklet which I read in Acura dealer desk. CSX targets a more mature crowd than Civic. The demographics are similar to those of Jetta than Civic. So CSX and Si are of 2 different markets.

[The Mighty Duck]

I don't understand the Si vs. CSX comparisons, either...  they obviously appeal to two very different segments of the market.

"Hey, Tom, you know you could have gotten an Si for less money?  Sucker!"

"Why yes, Ted, I did know that.  Only one thing: where would I put my PARENTS?"

[a4_tom]

CSX appeals to those who are looking for:
A sense of luxury and prestige in a premium brand
Features don't usually standard at vehicle of this size
Clean styling
Sporty handling
Refined ride
Acura customer service
"RSX sedan"

Si:
Wonderful handling with LSD for auto-X/track
Sharp 2-door body style
Awesome 6-speed stick
Little rougher ride but still comfortable
Honda quality and reliability
Addictive VTEC kick-in feel of K20 with stick shift, which is more aggressively sound than same unit in CSX
"RSX-S for less money and more hardcore driving experience"

EX:
4-door Civic with more standard features than DX-G
Quality cabin
Decent dynamics, ride/handling compromise
Honda quality and reliability
1.8 i-VTEC's torque and economy

[locutusx]

If you can afford the premium version of this car why not just get the TSX.

just responding to this point only:

2006 CSX Premium with Auto, taxable total $30,680

2006 TSX with Auto, taxable total $38,630

An 8 grand difference ain't nothing to sniff at. And after tax, 8 grand becomes $9200

Let's talk about 8 grand.  That's about the difference between the Civc EX and the CSX Premium for that you get.

Nope, 6 grand difference. This isn't nitpicking, that 2 grand is the average person's 1 month salary

(EX pre-tax: $24,605)

Heated leather seats.
Climate control.
A sport tuned rear sway bar
HIDs
Paddle shifter
And about 10% more power some of which is negated by the extra mass.

+ power adjustable driver's seat (not sure, this is what someone else said)
+ 6CD in-dash cd changer
+ prestige of Acura badge (subjective)
+ nicer-looking headlights/taillights (subjective)

That is not exactly great value when you compare spending 3 grand for the Si which you get.

Well, let's not compare it to the 2-door Si coupe. That's a comparison that really has no place here, as opposed to comparing it to the 4-door Civic sedan, or even the 4-door VW Jetta, which at least has some relation to the CSX...

Much nicer seats.

curious, what is so nice about the SI coupe's seats? i didnt notice anything

The only drawback being that it is a 2-door.

for someone like me (and perhaps a few others here?) that's a huge disadvantage, because (1) you won't believe the insurance penalty I face on a 2-door car... and I'm already 26 yrs old
and (2) my family doesn't fit

bring on the luxo-sport compact 4-door sedans, IMO

[locutusx]

my final thoughts:

although i am generally satisfied with the CSX, what it would need to make me actually buy one:

- drop price by $1000 on the Premium/Auto
OR
- leave price, but add in $1000 worth of features. i.e. standard foglight + rear spoiler with led brakelights.

Please Acura, don't increase the price *AND* add in the foglights 

If I'm not mistaken, that's what they did with the EL in 2004/2005.

[gosteelerz]

Much nicer seats.

curious, what is so nice about the SI coupe's seats? i didnt notice anything

The only drawback being that it is a 2-door.

for someone like me (and perhaps a few others here?) that's a huge disadvantage, because (1) you won't believe the insurance penalty I face on a 2-door car... and I'm already 26 yrs old
and (2) my family doesn't fit

bring on the luxo-sport compact 4-door sedans, IMO

The Si seats compared to the EX are much nicer in appearance, material and bolstering.  The Ex has that "Mouse fur" type material similar to my Protege which I am not that fond of.  The Si has very sharp looking heavy duty woven fabric look to it.

I myself face the dilema of the 2-door Si.  Is the driving fun >= the pain in a$$ loading 2 small kids into the back.   

[Prius]

woven fabric? I thought they were suede seats with red stitching.

[G0dspd]

What trim of the CSX is in question here ... the Premium (no options)?

[gosteelerz]

woven fabric? I thought they were suede seats with red stitching.

Maybe a bit of both, here is a good pic.

[Prius]

Hey, thanks!

Yeah, it does look like a mix of both.

[locutusx]

What trim of the CSX is in question here ... the Premium (no options)?

the one that i was using for my price/feature comparisons is the Premium with Auto (non-Navi).

[Jameel]

After all is said and done, and all these calculations made and 10% more HP, 10% less torque, 80kg more wieght etc..., etc... I still can't believe people think a CSX is luxurious because it adds leather and a navigations system. Hahahahahahahahah…. 

IT’S JUST A CIVIC (with leather seats and navigations system). 

Maybe these people are the same people who think that adding a wing, different rims, Pirelli Pzero tires, an exhaust, Recaro seats, a momo steering wheel, makes their Civic a Ferrari.  Come on guys grow up!

[titillateme]

No offense, but why don't you "grow up"? How is offering actually practical extra equipment for a charge the same as paying for useless things that DETRACT from the value of the car? Leather seats and HIDs aren't ricer wings and louder exhaust pipes. That's complete nonsense.

I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't recommend against one. In that range I'd rather hit up an Accord or a Camry, screw the badging, it's about the car for me personally. But I totally understand why people would go for one and would not call any of them stupid - the CSX is more feature loaded than an Accord for the same money. All the amenities it offers in a car does not come for a much cheaper price - calling people idiots for wanting them is ignorant prejudice.

I'm surprised that both opinions on the site were pretty positive though overall, I was thinking we'd hear from someone that liked it and didn't.

[locutusx]

After all is said and done, and all these calculations made and 10% more HP, 10% less torque, 80kg more wieght etc..., etc... I still can't believe people think a CSX is luxurious because it adds leather and a navigations system. Hahahahahahahahah…. 

IT’S JUST A CIVIC (with leather seats and navigations system). 

Maybe these people are the same people who think that adding a wing, different rims, Pirelli Pzero tires, an exhaust, Recaro seats, a momo steering wheel, makes their Civic a Ferrari.  Come on guys grow up!

Thanks for completely missing the point of this thread.... !

If the presence of the CSX seems to offend you so much, on an almost religious level, perhaps you should form an "Anti-CSX" special interest group, get Charity status from the Government, and go protest in front of Honda Canada HQ...

Alternatively, you can try "growing up" yourself, but from your messages it seems like that's not going to happen anytime soon.

[libraman]

Calm down people. Just go try a Mazda 3 for far less money and forget about these Acura poser cars.