Topic: Tucson /Sportage or CRV

[giantpanda]

any one recently owned a Tucson / Sportage in Ontario? just want to find out the amount that I can press down at dealer.

just look at the price for a V6 AWD model and found price of Tucson / Sportage almost at same level as a CRV-EX (though a V4), but Sportage probably have not established a name brand to have the same level of resale that CRV has.

interesting part is, in US, all Tucson have side, side curtain airbag as standard, and it also have a lower price tag compared to the same car they sell here in Canada, only GLS model of Tucson here in Canada have the side/side curtain airbag as standard....opt for Sportage initially, but Sportage only have 36 0% financing, compared with 48 month 0% that Tucson offer..kind of different marketing stragegy for Hyundai Canada?

thanks for all sorts of input... 

[bmorton]

My sister bought a 2006 Tucson GLS AWD back in November. I don't have the invoice price report on me anymore but the dealer cost was around $27,600 (MSRP $29,995).

[giantpanda]

thanks, just felt the price is not that attractive compared with CRV, both actually are part time awd,

My sister bought a 2006 Tucson GLS AWD back in November. I don't have the invoice price report on me anymore but the dealer cost was around $27,600 (MSRP $29,995).

[neil]

A CR-v lists Base model with Auto and Freight at $31,955.  honda.ca

Tucson GL AWD V6 is $29630.00
hyundaicanada.com

Using the Santa Fe as a guide, the resale value for the Hyundai SUv's are doing pretty darn good.

Tucson gives you the 50/50 4x4 lock option if required.

[giantpanda]

thanks Neil, the on-the-road price i got for a CRV EX is less than 35,000 (with all fee, pst & gst, with side, side curtain airbag, cruise control as standard), while Tucson (fwd, 4 cylinder, missing the cruise control, side/side curtain airbag) i got is around 29,000 (with all fee and taxes), have not negotiate the price with hyundai yet (my impression would be less than $1000 to haggle, based on previous discussion here).

yeh, i agree Hyundai start to gaining momentum now (which still have a pretty bad reputation for quality just 3-4 years ago) , but it still is a less established brand compared with Honda. most of 3 years old crv still stand firmly around $20,000, i just unsure how far will Tucson go 3 years later.

advantage for tucson is 5 year 10,000km power train warranty and 0% financing.

A CR-v lists Base model with Auto and Freight at $31,955.  honda.ca

Tucson GL AWD V6 is $29630.00
hyundaicanada.com

Using the Santa Fe as a guide, the resale value for the Hyundai SUv's are doing pretty darn good.

Tucson gives you the 50/50 4x4 lock option if required.

[hondasalesguy]

giantpanda - there is about $2500 margin in a CR-V EX, as well as the current promotion from Honda where they kick in $500 towards the $1000 gas card (which everyone just takes as after tax discount).

So with a 29500 cost, + 1455 freight/PDI + 100 air tax + 75 gas tax + 4670 PST/GST - 500 back from Honda, you would have an on the road price of $35,300. And this doesn't accouint for ANY dealer profit.(You can't get $1000 off the after tax price if you are starting from dealer cost in the first place)

So unless the dealer is taking a $300 LOSS on the vehicle, I don't think anyone out there in Canada is going to get the CR-V EX for $35K on the road.

But they will still try. People posting these supposed "fanfreakingtastic" prices don't help the rest of you by misleading you into thinking  you can achieve a price which is unrealistic.

[Snowman]

People posting these supposed "fanfreakingtastic" prices don't help the rest of you by misleading you into thinking  you can achieve a price which is unrealistic.


  Exactly, this is almost a game with people. I have called a few people I know on the deals the claimed to have made. Then they get mad at me when I bring it up. Some people just don’t know how stupid they sound some times.

[smainville]

A buddy of mine got a Tucson GL V6 AWD "demo", said he got a good deal $30,000 or so tax in.   No heated seats, I thought they all had them.  No block heater, when he asked how much they said about $4 more per payment! He pays bi-weekly so he estimated the block heater would cost almost $400.00 

[hondasalesguy]

I've never understood the logic behind claiming to have paid less than you did for a car. Maybe to make the other guy feel like a knob because he paid more than you did? Or do they think that others are going "oooh... cool...what a master negotiator.... wish I could be just like him"...)

Do people tell others they paid MORE for their house than they did (so others will think their house must really be kick ass???... what if instead of that, the other guy says, "wow, what an idiot, he got ripped off" ) or do they maybe tell others they paid LESS for their house than they did (so others think they got a steal...but then again, the other guy may say, "the place must be a shite - hole.. if that's all he paid)

Either way, if people are nosey enough to ask what you paid, tell them. Tell them the truth. What a novel concept.

[giantpanda]

thanks hondasalesguy for your input. i did not count in the $1000 gas card (i know they have a $2000 gas car in Dec 05) when doing a cost comparison, i have the dealer invoice price and talked to 2 honda dealers in GTA area, unsure if area count? i have not haggled with a Hyundai dealer yet..so the price for tucson is my estimation.

giantpanda - there is about $2500 margin in a CR-V EX, as well as the current promotion from Honda where they kick in $500 towards the $1000 gas card (which everyone just takes as after tax discount).

So with a 29500 cost, + 1455 freight/PDI + 100 air tax + 75 gas tax + 4670 PST/GST - 500 back from Honda, you would have an on the road price of $35,300. And this doesn't accouint for ANY dealer profit.(You can't get $1000 off the after tax price if you are starting from dealer cost in the first place)

So unless the dealer is taking a $300 LOSS on the vehicle, I don't think anyone out there in Canada is going to get the CR-V EX for $35K on the road.

But they will still try. People posting these supposed "fanfreakingtastic" prices don't help the rest of you by misleading you into thinking  you can achieve a price which is unrealistic.

[hondasalesguy]

if you get the CR-V for $36K on the road, you are doing well, dealer is making about $600 on a $32K car.

[tman]

giantpanda, if you can, wait a few months. The all-new Santa Fe comes out in a few months time (summer I think?) and at its base line pricing might compete with the CRV, IMO and offer more content and much better styling than the Tucson. Also, brand new CX7 from Mazda. Even better, if you can wait till November, all-new 2007 CRV will be out for consideration and by then you'll see better deals from the competition (Hyundai, Toyota Rav4). If you must buy a new small-SUV, next winter will have a complete set of new products from almost all the non-domestics.

BTW - I was in the market for SUV's recently and did check out CRV and competition. I realised I needed more space than a compact SUV and at the price range you're talking ($30-35k) I found the perfect purchase, a 2004 Honda Pilot EXL. Make sure the SUV you choose has enough space for the long term, and not just the next few years.

[giantpanda]

thanks tman, haa...yeh, i believe they brought Santa Fe to the AutoShow here in Toronto...also for whoever interested, Nissan X-trail just lower down the financing rate to 1.8% for 36month, which is tempting..just space is a little cramped compared with crv and not side/side curtain airbag.

also compared the invoice price for CRV in the US and invoice price here in Canada, seems it is pretty handsome profit for Honda Canada

giantpanda, if you can, wait a few months. The all-new Santa Fe comes out in a few months time (summer I think?) and at its base line pricing might compete with the CRV, IMO and offer more content and much better styling than the Tucson. Also, brand new CX7 from Mazda. Even better, if you can wait till November, all-new 2007 CRV will be out for consideration and by then you'll see better deals from the competition (Hyundai, Toyota Rav4). If you must buy a new small-SUV, next winter will have a complete set of new products from almost all the non-domestics.

BTW - I was in the market for SUV's recently and did check out CRV and competition. I realised I needed more space than a compact SUV and at the price range you're talking ($30-35k) I found the perfect purchase, a 2004 Honda Pilot EXL. Make sure the SUV you choose has enough space for the long term, and not just the next few years.

[sparky]

Nissan X-trail just lower down the financing rate to 1.8% for 36month, which is tempting..just space is a little cramped compared with crv

Passenger space difference is negligible -- within a few millimetres in all dimensions. To me, the Nissan actually feels more spacious because of the generous greenhouse and vast sunroof. CR-V might have a slight edge in cargo space, achieved by hanging its spare tire outdoors. X-Trail is lighter, stronger, and therefore a livelier performer, if that matters to you.

[JohnnyVk]

GP,

I looked att he same vehicles you did, and settled on the X-trai (SE/AWD/Auto)  I paid Invoice $28,538+$670.  I believe that with all taxes and charges in I did the drive away for $35,300 and I took advantage of the 3 year financing at 1.8%.  Total financing cost over the three year loan is ~$950.

I have had the XT for about 5 weeks and been very happy.  It offers FWD, AWD, and 4wd lock up.  I don't know if you have sat in the XT, but I found the CRV to feel relatively small inside.  At 6'1", I could not comfortably sit in the driver seat.  I think the interiot ceiling height is lower than the XT.  I think the XT offers more functional cargo space with folded seats because of the fold flat mechanism versus the CRV tumble forward.  I am speaking as a huge Honda fan.  I presently have an '04 TL and have owned a '91 Accord (13 years) and an '81 Prelude (10 years).

The Hyundais seem to be pretty good products - I considered the Tucson, but passed because I wanted a 6disc CD player and the XT is the only one in the class with a back seat pass throught - saves me the cost of a box on top of the vehicle for my skis.

The sun-roof on the XT is awesome.  It is great to let the light in on a sunny cold winter day, and I actually had it open yesterday afternoon - love it.  Also is very comfortable for a long drive.  So far I have had it to Que/Vermont, Windsor, and Stratford.  (I have a couple of photos from the QUE trip at the thread X-trail 2006 - Pricing Incentives)

Only negatives on the XT so far: a) The centre console is easy to get used to, but you miss the amibient lighting from the gauges to help you see the light and wiper controls in the dark, b) the cup holders don't quite fit a Tim Horton's medium cup perfectly - it goes in but not perfectly - all other sizes and bottles are just fine.

Good Luck on the purchase decision

JV

[smainville]

The Xty is an awesome little SUV, great gas mileage, congrats on your purchase.  As for the coffee cup I bought the CTC handle-less tumbler, it's a perfect fit.  88,000km with no issues!

[Craig]

Yep, congrats from another fellow owner.  It's a great little ute.  My wife just doesn't like sunroofs, or I'd have pushed for the SE.

Yes, she's odd.