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Car Brokers... buying from US?
« on: December 21, 2005, 02:01:56 pm »
So all these talks about CDN car prices are unfair especially compared to the US, anyone used a car broker to buy cars in US? Any savings?

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2005, 02:14:17 pm »
Transport Canada requirements
Transport Canada's requirements apply to vehicles that are less than 15 years old, and to buses manufactured on or after January 1, 1971.

Vehicles originally manufactured to meet the safety standards of countries other than the United States or Canada are usually not allowed into Canada, unless they are 15 years or older or they are buses manufactured before January 1, 1971.

Before importing your vehicle, you can contact Transport Canada at:

1-800-333-0371 (toll-free in Canada and the United States);
(613) 998-8616 (from all other countries).

Vehicles manufactured to meet United States safety standards do not necessarily meet the Canadian ones. As the importer, you are responsible for determining whether your vehicle complies with Canadian safety standards, or whether it can be modified to meet these standards after importation. You cannot import vehicles that cannot be modified to meet Canadian standards.

The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) is an agency contracted by Transport Canada to administer a national program to ensure that imported vehicles are brought into compliance with Canada's safety standards.

If you are considering importing a vehicle originally manufactured to meet United States safety and emission standards, contact the RIV by telephone at one of the following numbers, to verify that your vehicle is eligible for importation into Canada:

1-888-848-8240 (toll-free in Canada or the United States)
(416) 626-6812 (from all other countries)

If your vehicle does not meet Canadian safety standards but qualifies for importation, you will enter your vehicle into the RIV program when you report to a customs office. The program registration fee is CAN$182 in all provinces except Quebec, where it is CAN$197. You will then have 45 days to bring your vehicle into compliance and have it inspected.

You cannot license your vehicle in Canada until it is modified and passes federal inspection under the RIV program.

Other considerations
Your vehicle may also be subject to provincial or territorial sales tax and safety requirements, so you should check with the vehicle department of the province or territory to which you are moving.

Before you export your vehicle to Canada, make sure you first check with the customs authority of the country from which you will be exporting it. Some countries have export requirements you must meet.

For more information, see the pamphlet called Importing a Vehicle Into Canada (RC4140).

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2005, 02:17:27 pm »
Good information but doesn't answer or even come close to answering Ghost's question.

I know of a few people that have imported cars themselves but I know none that used a broker.  I know 1 person that imported an M3 and a few that have imported S2000's

Savings close to $10k for all transactions.


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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2005, 02:23:37 pm »
Good information but doesn't answer or even come close to answering Ghost's question.

I know of a few people that have imported cars themselves but I know none that used a broker.  I know 1 person that imported an M3 and a few that have imported S2000's

Savings close to $10k for all transactions.

I would like to find out how this was done also. What can you tell us?

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2005, 02:27:34 pm »
Buy car.

Get Dealer or manufacturer (usually dealer as the manufacturer tends to protest) to write up a letter ensuring that all recalls have been performed on the vehicle and that there are no liens on it.

Have this information faxed to the customs at the border crossing at least 2 days before you plan on driving the car over.

Go get car, drive back, pay GST at the border and RIV fees as well as Duty if not made in NA.

Then I believe you have 14 days or so to get a safety done and register your car with the ministry of transport.  You have to have the DRL module installed or something similar if the car does not have them.  Other items depend on the car, like stickers etc, you may have to order a sticker pack from a canadian dealer to be up to code.

Then you register and pay pst.  It's not a huge deal, the hardest thing is getting the clearance letter for recalls.

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2005, 02:42:32 pm »
Geee, that sounds very simple if you plan everything ahead of time. I wonder what a C6 would cost. :think:

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2005, 03:53:17 pm »
You could save probably $10k on a C6

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2005, 05:44:48 pm »
There's a used car dealer not far from where I live that sells tons of late model Boxster, Z3s, Z4s and S2000s.  They're all from the US, so it can't be that hard (or expensive) to convert them to Canadian specs.
Two years ago I brought a 1970 VW single cab pickup from a guy in Florida (always wanted one).  I think I paid something like 9% duty.
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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2005, 07:20:19 pm »
2000-2005 Toyota MR2 - Inadmissable.   :-[

2003-2006 Lancer Evo - Inadmissable.   :-[

2002- WRX and 2004 Sti?  Admissable!   ;D

Might start thinking about a new WRX while the buck is so strong.  Save $5K maybe more.  More on an Sti.  Tempting as heck.
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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2005, 08:45:19 pm »
2000-2005 Toyota MR2 - Inadmissable.   :-[

2003-2006 Lancer Evo - Inadmissable.   :-[

2002- WRX and 2004 Sti?  Admissable!   ;D

Might start thinking about a new WRX while the buck is so strong.  Save $5K maybe more.  More on an Sti.  Tempting as heck.

Yes JGX, a tidy sum could be saved on a new STi. $32k MSRP…..criminal.

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2005, 10:29:36 am »
You don,t need the recall letter until you take the car in for a federal safety. You must give US customs 72 hours warning you are bringing the vehicle across & fax a copy of the title to them. The car must clear US customs before you can take it to Canada customs. Been der dun dat quite a few times..

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2005, 10:44:50 am »
I've been thinking about this option as well. The part I'm stuck on is how to buy a car in the US in the first place without being resident there. How do you get the title transfered/car registered to your name without being a US resident and not having any US id (social security, address etc.)? I agree the other steps don't sound too hard for an average, recent model mainstream car/SUV/minivan. Any ideas?

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2005, 01:02:12 pm »
What about the warranty though?  Will dealerships honour an American warranty here?

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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2005, 01:10:31 pm »
What about the warranty though?  Will dealerships honour an American warranty here?

If I can save over $10K, maybe the warranty is not *as important* anymore. I guess it depends on the car we are getting. I wouldn't hesitate with the Subaru STI but may think a bit more carefully with higher-end "exotics".

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2005, 01:21:56 pm »
BMW/Mini/Merc honour the warranty over the boarder  I know for sure.

Honda Does not I know that for sure as well.

You can always buy an aftermarket warranty if you really want to but, with $10k savings your clear for a lot of failures.

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2005, 01:33:56 pm »
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If I can save over $10K, maybe the warranty is not *as important* anymore. I guess it depends on the car we are getting. I wouldn't hesitate with the Subaru STI but may think a bit more carefully with higher-end "exotics".

I don't know about that.  I would bet that a defective tranny in a new STI would eat up a lot of the cross border shopping/savings.
With even the most reliable new car things can go wrong.
Maybe you'd have to go to an American dealer for servicing.
Another question; what about the state taxes when you purchase a new American vehicle?

John, how did you find out which vehicles can be imported to Canada and which can not?  Do they have to be vehicles that are sold in Canada?

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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2005, 01:37:53 pm »
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If I can save over $10K, maybe the warranty is not *as important* anymore. I guess it depends on the car we are getting. I wouldn't hesitate with the Subaru STI but may think a bit more carefully with higher-end "exotics".

I don't know about that.  I would bet that a defective tranny in a new STI would eat up a lot of the cross border shopping/savings.
With even the most reliable new car things can go wrong.

I would acknowledge that it is indeed a "gamble"...sometimes you win too!
But having said that, Murphy's Law *always* apply though... :(

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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2005, 02:04:58 pm »
There's a website that lists all the cars you can and cannot import...  someone will have a link.  :)

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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2005, 02:11:45 pm »
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If I can save over $10K, maybe the warranty is not *as important* anymore. I guess it depends on the car we are getting. I wouldn't hesitate with the Subaru STI but may think a bit more carefully with higher-end "exotics".

I don't know about that.  I would bet that a defective tranny in a new STI would eat up a lot of the cross border shopping/savings.
With even the most reliable new car things can go wrong.
Maybe you'd have to go to an American dealer for servicing.
Another question; what about the state taxes when you purchase a new American vehicle?

John, how did you find out which vehicles can be imported to Canada and which can not?  Do they have to be vehicles that are sold in Canada?

Purchase in OR - no state sales tax.  There is a published list by the government of cars not able to be imported.  Essentially, if it is sold here you're fine, if not, SOL.
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Re: Car Brokers... buying from US?
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2005, 02:17:19 pm »
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Essentially, if it is sold here you're fine, if not, SOL.

Not entirely true (but mostly accurate).  There are some American-market cars that can be imported to Canada that are not sold here...  Scion xB and xA, for example.