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« on: December 13, 2005, 12:11:09 am » |
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smainville
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2005, 05:54:58 am » |
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A beautiful car, I would have to say that the 07 Camry has taken some styling cues from this car.
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quadzilla
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2005, 07:21:33 am » |
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After that review I'm left wondering how does the car drive.  |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2005, 07:37:55 am » |
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Very well  Note, that's the exact same car I drove. http://www.cartalkcanada.com/blog/?p=34 |
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« Last Edit: December 13, 2005, 07:43:08 am by wing »
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quadzilla
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2005, 09:01:16 am » |
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Thanks Wing. You gave me more info than the review did. Now only if we didn't need a wagon. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2005, 02:42:12 pm » |
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I'm very dissapointed in the IS 250. It is a beautiful car. Quality and interior are super. But its like so many other Toyotas out there. Souless. 200hp ? 8.5 seconds 0-60? My 168 hp 5 spd v50 will dust it. Its like a prettier (smaller inside) Camary.
They may know their target market. The BMW buyer who buys for the prestige and dealer service rtaher than the way the car actually drives. Should be trouble free but they alredy have the Es300 to fill the lux market. The GS series is similar. Why no true sporty car. |
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Shnak
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2005, 03:30:43 pm » |
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I'm very dissapointed in the IS 250. It is a beautiful car. Quality and interior are super. But its like so many other Toyotas out there. Souless. 200hp ? 8.5 seconds 0-60? My 168 hp 5 spd v50 will dust it. Its like a prettier (smaller inside) Camary. Well it's only a 2.5L engine... 200hp out of a 2.5L V6 engine is very good, not too mention that it offers similar, if not better, fuel economy than your V50. And I'd rather have a small V6 engine than a 4 or 5-cylinder engine, much better torque all over the band. The reviewer says it himself, the lack of sheer grunt is offset by the smoothness of the powertrain. Someone buying the IS250 is not expecting a performance car, he wants an all around great car. If they want more than that, there is the IS350; that's why Lexus offers the bigger engine. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2005, 03:59:24 pm » |
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If they want more than that, there is the IS350; that's why Lexus offers the bigger engine.
And hopefully Lexus will introduce the 6-speed manual gearbox for the IS350 soon...  |
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2005, 04:05:43 pm » |
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I'm very dissapointed in the IS 250. It is a beautiful car. Quality and interior are super. But its like so many other Toyotas out there. Souless. 200hp ?
Also keep in mind that this is almost in-line with JDM Nissan's 250GT (G25 if it is ever offered in North America) and 350GT (G35) mantra. The Nissan Skyline 250GT makes around 210-215hp. |
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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2005, 04:52:37 pm » |
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200hp ? 8.5 seconds 0-60? My 168 hp 5 spd v50 will dust it. The BMW 325xi goes to 100kph in 8.2 seconds, not much of a difference. I also don't think the IS250 is aimed at people seeking a really sporty sedan, more like people wanting a luxury and some what sporty sedan. |
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How is it possible that after electricity has traveled through hundreds of miles of power line then hundreds of feet (or yards) of romex in our home, that changing the last three feet of wire with something exotic, expensive (cool looking, and packaged in a pricey box) is going to make a difference?
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2005, 05:21:02 pm » |
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2005, 06:14:32 pm » |
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Straight line speed and acceleration is only one part of a complex equation. It's important, but an overall big picture perspective of the vehicle should be used to determine if it is or isn't a sports sedan. I think it gitupandgo's alright....brakes pretty well, corners nicely, and is fairly comfortable. I say it's a good entry level luxury sports sedan.
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Shnak
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2005, 12:34:29 pm » |
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Straight line speed and acceleration is only one part of a complex equation. It's important, but an overall big picture perspective of the vehicle should be used to determine if it is or isn't a sports sedan. I think it gitupandgo's alright....brakes pretty well, corners nicely, and is fairly comfortable. I say it's a good entry level luxury sports sedan.
 Some people pay too much attention to acceleration figures... There is much more to a car than just acceleration. |
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Snowman
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2005, 01:26:14 pm » |
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Yes very true. But why design a well handling and balanced car with no engine to properly utilize all that performance engineering? |
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Shnak
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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2005, 01:37:53 pm » |
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Yes very true. But why design a well handling and balanced car with no engine to properly utilize all that performance engineering?
I wouldn't say a 2.5L V6 developping a very smooth 200hp can be considered as "no engine". People buy Lexus vehicles have reliability and refinement on their priorities list a lot higher than performance. And besides, base BMWs come with an engine that only develops 174hp... and nobody says that those base BMWs have "no engines"... why all the uproar with the base IS *only* having a 205hp engine? Doesn't make any sense to me.... |
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Snowman
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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2005, 02:31:36 pm » |
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“and nobody says that those base BMWs have "no engines"...”I do..and I’m nobody.
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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2005, 02:35:31 pm » |
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Isn't that what 318i and TDI drivers have to say though? "It's about a well balanced car"...  (and then Jeff runs and hides)... |
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Snowman
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2005, 02:39:06 pm » |
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"It's about a well balanced car"... I will have to remember that one the next time I get killed. |
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2005, 02:50:27 pm » |
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Isn't that what 318i and TDI drivers have to say though? "It's about a well balanced car"... (and then Jeff runs and hides)...  I'll have you know it's an i S thank you very much....... What can I say.....   |
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2005, 02:52:43 pm » |
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Watched the latest fifth gear, they ran an e30 M3 and it was SOOOO Slow, slower than or close to the same speed around their track as a suzuki swift! It's funny, but the M3 is well balanced and fun to drive. The Lexus IS felt faster than 8.5 seconds, I'm sure it is not any faster than that, but it felt fast. On another note, my Subaru always benefits from the cold weather today 0-60 was in the 1.5 second range  |
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