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Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« on: December 09, 2005, 04:00:22 pm »
Later this year I'm going to be selling the old Neon. The Locost (Lotus Seven clone) likely won't be done for a while so I'll be in the market for a stupidly, impractical car (the wife's minivan takes care of the practical stuff). The Honda Beat and Suzuki Cappuccino both turn 15 in 2006 so I'm thinking of importing one of those. The Suzuki is turbo 3cyl, front engine, rwd with a-arms at the front. The Honda is mid engined I3 with about the same hp. The Suzuki's layout appeals to me more but I think I like the Beat's styling and name more. I can likely get either for well under $8K it would be used as a commuter and weekend fun car. Thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Beat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cappuccino


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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2005, 04:11:19 pm »
just found an article comparing the two

People are fascinated by the Cappuccino and the Beat. The reaction as you drive them is akin to how the Smart city car was received before it became a familiar sight. You feel conspicuous, like you might be in a Ferrari, but for many that's part of the appeal. For so little money the sense of occasion is unrivalled, but don't buy one if you're a shrinking violet.

Both of these tiny sports cars offer a big grin factor…these two were doing the small car, big fun routine long before those "clever" chaps at Smart dreamed up the Roadster. The Cappuccino is traditional front-engined, rear drive, while the Beat wears its little engine in the middle, with drive to the back.

As you'd expect, neither is massively commodious, but if you're less than 6ft tall, it shouldn't be a problem. On the move, the sense that you're piloting something knee-high to a Micra soon disappears because Suzuki and Honda have engineered a real sense of solidity into their babes. But that's the only trait they share because, as their mechanical layouts suggest, these two are very different out on the road.

The Cappuccino performs exactly as you might expect. It feels light and nimble and finds quite strong grip from its modest rubber. The steering is perhaps its biggest asset - so direct that a flick of the wrists is enough to negotiate any turn and laden with the sort of feel that only a non-assisted rack can achieve. The balance of the Cappuccino is neutral' there's not enough power to steer the car on the throttle except in the tightest turns or in the wet, and you'll rarely experience more than a hint of understeer even if you're really pushing on. The Suzuki isn't about big slip angles but you never feel disappointed or bored behind the wheel. Instead, you enjoy the beautifully judged steering and the surprisingly muscular three-cylinder turbocharged engine.

In typical Honda fashion, a high-revving normally aspirated engine was favoured for the Beat and it defines the car's character. It howls approvingly every time you approach the 9000rpm cut-out and makes the Beat feel like a proper miniature exotic. You're pretty busy with the gearbox but it's such a precise mechanical throw that you don't resent the effort. It feels just like a MX-5 shift - better even than the excellent shift in the Civic Type-R.

Unfortunately, the sweet spinning engine hasn't the torque to work the chassis very hard. There's plenty of grip in the dry and unless you're prepared to fully commit to a corner, you'll miss the Cappuccino's grunt (though that's a relative term!).

As an everyday proposition, the Cappuccino is better - quieter, faster and slightly more rewarding. The Beat seems a bit more special, though, and never fails to put a smile on your face.

These Japanese oddities aren't the obvious choice but they're really worth a look. All the presence and fun of the Smart Roadster at a third of the price. Tempting, eh?

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2005, 04:13:52 pm »
looks like a fun car, but are you able to import into Canada

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2005, 04:16:35 pm »
looks like a fun car, but are you able to import into Canada

In a couple months - yes. Pretty much anything over 15 years old is fine in Canada. There is a company that can handle all the nasty bits for me. Quite a few of people here bring in Skylines and such.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2005, 04:51:22 pm »
The Cap seems much more "sensible" if I can say that about either.  Depending on the price tag, I could see interest for more than one just for you.  What part of the country do you live in? [Edit] Sorry, I see you are in Calgary.  If you were to have the car shipped to Vancouver for a drive over the mountains I would love to at least see one.
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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2005, 05:08:53 pm »
After reading up a bit more I think the Suzkuki is definitely the way to go. I'm likely to do this any time after April but I'll probably get it shipped to Calgary due to insurance/registration ease and it being an unknown car with signicant delay in getting any needed parts. I'll post lots of pics if it happens though.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2005, 05:29:27 pm »
I'd get teh Suzuki, for the turbo ... and not cause it'd impress a few of the young tuning n00bs here on the forum :rofl:, but because of the fact that you could easily extract some more power with a few washers on the wastegate!  Being that they're 15 years old, I am sure there are some well-established internet communities, but I bet they are mostly written in Japanese  :rofl2:  With that said, factory turbo cars offer great potential for increased horsepower, on the whole.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2005, 05:31:28 pm »
I'll post lots of pics if it happens though.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2005, 05:53:34 pm »
JD - nice links. Initally I don't think I'd boost performance too much - maybe exhaust + intake. Really just for something different. That site was interesting - 0-60 in 5.7 with a stage 2 engine  :o - pretty good all for the cost of an early 90s Miata.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2005, 07:50:46 pm »
Yah... The first link is a good idea, simply do an intake, exhaust and increase the boost pressure a few PSI...

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2005, 11:21:24 am »
Haha.. I used to see a couple of Cappucinos in England in the 90s. They never failed to make me stop, point, and gawk.
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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2005, 01:01:43 pm »
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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2005, 10:34:31 am »
If Suzuki wants to raise brand awareenss in N. America, they should think about building a slightly larger Cappucino successor, the size the first generation Miata... Inexpensive RWD roadster to undercut the Solstice/MX-5...
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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2005, 10:37:34 am »
I just talked to the import guy - can't get them into country until Nov 2006 so it will be a while. About $8-10K.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2005, 10:41:55 am »
I just talked to the import guy - can't get them into country until Nov 2006 so it will be a while. About $8-10K.

Sonds like good $$$ for such a fun car!

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2005, 11:05:51 am »
I just talked to the import guy - can't get them into country until Nov 2006 so it will be a while. About $8-10K.

Sonds like good $$$ for such a fun car!

A little more than I thought but I'm still interested. Sounds like a modern version of my old Spitfire which appeals. We'll see in November what happens.

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Re: Honda Beat or Suzuki Cappuccino?
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2005, 11:10:51 am »
Get the Beat!!!  :D  I loved that thing when it came out. In yellow.
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