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Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« on: October 24, 2005, 10:58:40 am »
First Nissan sues, yes sues, a computer company in the US for using Nissan.com (thru arbitration, neither of them can use it now and there's a link to both... although I just checked and Nissan computer has it back - http://www.nissan.com/Digest/The_Story.php for the interesting story).

Now they're sueing Audi over the Q7 and planned Q5 models. I don't see the big deal, especially when carmakers like Volvo and BMW both shared the 850 model in the past and such. I know they're both SUVs competing in the same segments, but they're different enough to me.


Nissan sues Audi over using 'Q' in Q7 name


By Jean Halliday
Automotive News / October 24, 2005

Audi's decision to name its SUV, the Q7, drew a trademark suit from Nissan, which sells the Infiniti QX56 SUV (below). PHOTO CREDIT: PHILIP MEECH
 
 
DETROIT -- This marketing battle is brought to you by the letter "Q."

Nissan North America Inc. and its Japanese parent, Nissan Motor Co., are suing Audi AG, Audi of America Inc. and Volkswagen of America Inc.

Nissan alleges that Audi's first SUV, the Q7, infringes on the trademarks of the Q vehicles sold by Nissan's Infiniti brand.

The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Detroit, is scheduled for a nonjury trial next month.

Nissan says in its complaint it has spent "hundreds of millions of dollars" to promote the Infiniti Q45. Infiniti launched its flagship sedan in 1989.

By the end of last year, Nissan says, it had sold 122,751 new Q45s in the United States since the car's introduction. Audi says it expects to sell a total of 80,000 cars in the United States this year.

Nissan says it has registered "Q" trademarks in the United States for the Q45, QX4 and QX56. Audi's use of the letter in its vehicle name will cause consumer confusion and dilute Infiniti's Q models, Nissan alleges.

Infiniti launched the QX4 luxury SUV in 1996 and sold it through 2004. Infiniti started selling the QX56 SUV last year. It costs about $25 million to launch a new SUV in the United States.

Industry analysts say the lawsuit isn't likely to cost Audi much more than embarrassment should it lose. But the outcome of the lawsuit could establish legal policies for alphanumeric vehicle names, they add.

"This is a tempest in a teapot," says John Bulcroft, an auto consultant who led marketing for Audi in the 1970s.

If Nissan wins its lawsuit, Bulcroft says, Audi likely will have to change its marketing strategy. Otherwise, he says, the biggest damage to Audi would be "losing face."

Todd Turner, president of CarConcepts, a consulting firm in Thousand Oaks, Calif., says Audi should change the Q7's name before the company develops advertisements and other marketing materials.

"It's not that big a disaster if they change the name at this moment," Turner says.

Audi unveiled the Q7 at the Frankfurt auto show in last month. It is scheduled to reach U.S. dealerships in the spring. Audi plans a smaller Q5 SUV in a few years, according to court records.

Johan de Nysschen, executive vice president of Audi of America, told reporters in Detroit last month that the company took the Q7's name from Audi's quattro all-wheel-drive system.

He would not comment on the Nissan lawsuit.

Nissan says in its lawsuit that it notified Audi of the alleged trademark infringement last December. It says "settlement discussions" with Audi failed to resolve the dispute.
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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2005, 11:03:31 am »
Am I having deja-vous, or did this already happen a long time ago?

But for what it's worth, I don't get it either. The Volvo BMW is a good example.... and THEY can still be friends. Why can't Nissan and Audi play nice?  ;D

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2005, 11:03:50 am »
...FUK Q  .....!!!!!! ;)
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2005, 12:47:00 pm »
That kinda explains my distaste of the Infiniti brand. >:( >:(

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2005, 07:56:05 pm »
Ah crap ... I bought a Q45 instead of a Q7 ... they're so similar!  uh  uh uh  ;D


Same stupid story with Hummer and Jeep ... Chrysler was saying that GM was confusing the public with the new Hummer 7 slots grilles.  It was already on the H1 for years.
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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2005, 08:20:34 pm »
...and I thought Japan was on the same side as Germany.  :-X

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2005, 11:23:03 pm »
I originally wanted to buy an M3 but I mistakably walked into Infiniti "premium" side of Nissan showroom and got a damn M35X! :P

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 12:47:09 am »
Here's my take on it....when I hear of the Q7, I DO NOT automatically think of Infiniti.....so much for the advertising and building a brand image.  Stranger things have gone through the courts.   :-[

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 01:31:37 am »
Seriously, is that what the lawsuit is over - the "Q" - how can anyone have a "right" or a "patent" on a letter of the alphabet? I don't think of Nissan when I hear Q7 or any other Q for that matter. Geez.  :P

Shucks, Chev already had the Z28 Camaro out when Nissan (Datsun) came along with the 240Z. GM shudda sued Nissan. 'Course GM didn't take anything from Japan seriously in those days.

And how about Pontiac coping BMWs kidney grill? BMW has had that shape since the 1930s and the Dixie and the 507.
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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 02:40:12 am »
Well if you've ever watched Austin Powers...Dr. Evil's' father claims he invented the question mark.  :)  This is almost as funny. 

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 02:59:55 am »
Seriously, is that what the lawsuit is over - the "Q" - how can anyone have a "right" or a "patent" on a letter of the alphabet? I don't think of Nissan when I hear Q7 or any other Q for that matter. Geez.  :P

It's a trademark lawsuit.  The thing about trademarks is, unlike patents and copyright, you have to aggressively defend your marks or you lose them.  It's unlikely that the Q was a registered trademark, but only a fraction of trademarks are actually registered.  If Nissan feels the Q is part of their brand identity, it makes sense for them to file a suit.  Because Q is fairly generic and rather recent, it's hard to say whether they'll win or not.  They really shouldn't have picked something so generic in the first place.

The lawsuit probably seems silly to outside observers, but think of it this way:  what if someone released a car called the "RX97"?  Mazda would definitely sue, because "RX" is a trademark they've carefully maintained over the years.  In the case of "Q", it's just one less letter.

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 12:15:25 pm »
Yes, Mazda should sue Toyota for using RX in Lexus according to Nissan playbook.

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2005, 12:25:14 pm »
..NOW..NOW ...MIND yer "PEES" & "QUEUES!!!"......Layers schawyers...argy bargy..NO this is Nissan V AUDI....arguement is DOWN THE HALL......$350 an HOUR....... :think: :thumbdown: :banghead:

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2005, 01:29:16 pm »
I totally agree with Nissan....everytime i think about a Q i think about an Infiniti, not an Audi  :o

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2005, 01:31:20 pm »
..ME...!!...I THINK...TTC...meh!!!!! :'(

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 03:20:43 pm »
Nissan should sue Honda. Because they both have the letter N in their names......  :banghead:

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2005, 03:23:35 pm »
if anything, Kleenex should sue Nissan for their Kleenex box shaped new vehicles... X-Trail, X-Terra, Pathfinder and Armada... a bit too squared for my taste...

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2005, 03:31:16 pm »
And Toyota should sue Volkswagen over the Corolla-clone Jetta.  :o

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Re: Nissan sues Audi over 'Q'
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2005, 03:40:10 pm »
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2005, 03:43:50 pm »
I don't know about suing, but I also think of Nissan/Infiniti when I hear Q...