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Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« on: October 07, 2005, 10:30:26 pm »
Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
High-octane alcohol is normally made from wheat, corn and straw


CANADIAN PRESS

All gasoline sold in Ontario will be required to include five per cent cleaner-burning ethanol fuel by the beginning of 2007 under new regulations confirmed today by the provincial government.

Agriculture Minister Leona Dombrowsky said the province has forged ahead with the plan to require the cleaner additive be included in gasoline by Jan. 1, 2007.

The Liberals promised in the 2003 election campaign to require the use of ethanol, a high-octane alcohol normally made from wheat, corn and straw.

"This truly is a red-letter day for all the people of Ontario," Dombrowsky told a news conference. "We're now ready to begin creating our future of cleaner air and greater prosperity by producing renewable fuels."

Dombrowsky said that when added to gasoline, ethanol helps reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which contribute to climate change. She said it also results in cleaner vehicle exhaust and reduces dependency on non-renewable fossil fuels.

The province said the new regulation will reduce emissions by an amount equivalent to taking 200,000 cars off the roads.

"We are taking action to reduce harmful emissions from vehicles to ensure we have safe, livable communities for this generation and the next," said Environment Minister Laurel Broten.

Proponents of the use of ethanol in gasoline, including the Canadian Renewable Fuels Association, also say the move could eventually lead to lower prices at the pumps because ethanol is cheaper to produce than petroleum-based products.

The province also said it's now ready to accept applications under the Ontario Ethanol Growth Fund to help companies fund the cost of constructing several ethanol processing plants in the province.

The 12-year, $520-million fund is intended to help build and operate plants that will produce as much as 750 million litres of ethanol annually.

Construction is expected to begin next month to convert a former Molson Brewery plant in Barrie into Ontario's largest ethanol plant, with a capacity of 300 million litres per year produced from almost 30 million bushels of corn.

Ontario facilities in Windsor, Brantford and Collingwood are also sharing $46 million in federal funds with Alberta and Manitoba producers to build or expand ethanol plants.

The Canadian Petroleum Products Institute, which represents gasoline retailers, said its members will comply with the ethanol regulation. One of its members, Suncor Energy Products, is building an ethanol plant near Sarnia, where it already operates a refinery.

But the CPPI had hoped its members would get as much as three more years to put the proper technology in place to ensure they could meet the new standard. Small independent gasoline retailers, for example, may have to perform costly upgrades on tanks and other equipment, they argue.

CPPI spokesman Dane Bailey said his members will want to read details about the regulations before they begin to make technical changes to their tanks and processes.

"Our industry doesn't tend to spend a lot of money until they see the regulations in writing," Bailey said.

"There is a tremendous amount of work that has to be done."

NDP Leader Howard Hampton said the government's ethanol strategy puts corporations ahead of farmers.

He argues the plan allows Ontario ethanol plants to use cheap subsidized corn imported from the United States instead of Ontario-grown corn.

Other provinces, such as Manitoba, require their ethanol plants to use crops grown by local farmers.

"The McGuinty government has $520 million for companies to build ethanol plants but no money for grain and oilseed farmers who are losing money growing the corn for the plants," Hampton said

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2005, 11:19:40 pm »
NDP Leader Howard Hampton said the government's ethanol strategy puts corporations ahead of farmers.

He argues the plan allows Ontario ethanol plants to use cheap subsidized corn imported from the United States instead of Ontario-grown corn.

Other provinces, such as Manitoba, require their ethanol plants to use crops grown by local farmers.

"The McGuinty government has $520 million for companies to build ethanol plants but no money for grain and oilseed farmers who are losing money growing the corn for the plants," Hampton said

Hampton is right on this particular issue.  I have a neighbour who farms 1000 acres of corn and he going to lose 30K because US producers are dumping corn into Ontario.  US producers are guaranteed a certain price by the US Federal government and then dump whatever they can at whatever price into Canada. :P

Meanwhile Dubya says Canada dumps lumber into the US despite all sorts of NAFTA rulings to the contrary. :o ::)
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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2005, 07:52:46 am »
Hmmmmmmm

newsflash. Sellers of Gas Line antifreeze in Ontario declare bankruptcy, lay off  3 workers, government rethinks decision for fear of losing confidence vote .     Oops... I thoght it was the federal gov.


so the energy per litre will drop a tiny bit and the AKI will go up a tiny bit
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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2005, 12:34:32 am »
..JUST GREAT...NOW we will have ta line up at the L.C.B.O....next ta the Y.M.C.A ta buy a  750ml bottle of McSquinty Gas'O'Lean fer $21.99 a GO...closed on Holidays too...!!!! ferk I'm moofing ta Ein a Klein'a Land where ALL the GOOD people get $400 in their Thanksgiving Turkeys...!!!! Mdx excepted .....SlideConservativeWays gets DOUBLE fer "living" in Edmonton and that COMMIE "X" gets a penny in his PUTI'N PUMPKIN'PiIE..... :P
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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2005, 08:59:50 pm »
ALL gas??

You BMW drivers better trade in your cars or open up a seperate savings account for new injectors... I've heard from a shitload of people, particularly BMW drivers, that ethanol gas wreaks havoc on their injectors and causes knocking.

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2005, 10:19:47 pm »
Damn, lower gas milage ...........  but cleaner air....

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2005, 09:54:14 am »
My armchair take was just that., a little cleaner with less mileage. If the fuel provides less mileage per litre it would require more of it to propel a vehicle a set distance no? Does this nulify the cleaner burn?

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2005, 10:27:57 am »
There is a net gain, but it is not as great as it would appear on the surface. Still, every little bit helps.  ???
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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2005, 10:40:54 am »
From the original post as I understand it ethanol comes from corn, wheat, straw etc. How does the finished ethanol product get there? Will there be more emissions from farmers unfiltered tractors, increased pesticide use, emissions to distill the ehanol? Is this ethanol mandate just a nice slick way to transfer a bit of corporate welfare to the rural areas? I don't know enough about the ethanol fuel thing to decide which side I am on. I am always suspicious  of these "magic bullets" ;D



http://www.cecarf.org/Programs/Fuels/Fuelfacts/Alternativefuels.html

The things that stick out is that currently it tkaes more energy to produce ethanol than it gives back and it is very popular in areas where there is lots of corn production.. .
 
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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2005, 12:40:33 pm »
ethanol is already used in some countries around the world.

i think they are a great way out to reduce fuel prices in the next couple of years.

I totally support this idea.

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2005, 12:46:29 pm »
...Hic..I so do also......Jim Beam me UP Scotty.........hic...eeeeasssy onna thrrrrotttllle maaannn...!!!!!! a'hl have a Sunoco 94 Martini wi' a twist.....hic....slurred ..no..shaggin'.....shakin' ah mean ;D

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2005, 08:30:38 pm »
BMW injectors can survive Sunoco 94 which can be 10% ethanol depending on the time of the year. Ethanol tends to raise the AKI and will help prevent knock


KTM  You are correct!   I read recently that "farm diesel" will still be a dilute solution of sulphur in Oil and wont be cleaned up like the road diesel.

Multi: I think Brazil sells fuel upto about 85% ethanol.  IIRC they have a tremendous sugar cane surplus and rather than sell sugar on the world market against US and Euroland subsidies they make fuel from that

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2005, 08:52:55 pm »
Are the Canadian prarie provinces gonna get some benefits out of this? Also, wouldn't it be more effective (as far as air quality is concerned) if the federal government imposes this as a law, as opposed to merely having Ontario do it?

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2005, 10:09:03 am »
ethanol is already used in some countries around the world.

i think they are a great way out to reduce fuel prices in the next couple of years.

I totally support this idea.


Are you sure that Ethanol is cheaper to produce?

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Re: Gas to include 5% ethanol by 2007, province confirms
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2005, 10:13:22 am »
Are the Canadian prarie provinces gonna get some benefits out of this?
Ha!  Not if Ottawa or Toronto can help it!  >:(

Each province is determining what "type" of gas they will approve.  Saskatchewan has already mandated ethanol gas quite likely to provide a prop to the local economy.  There is an Eth plant being built in Lloydminster which apparently will:
Produce 130 million litres of fuel grade ethanol per year
Purchase 350,000 tonnes of feedstock from local producers annually
Produce 134,000 tonnes of distillers dried grain with solubles (DDGS) per year

Ethanol produced in Ontario will use products from Ontario farmers as would any eth produced in BC use products from BC farmers.

While it is fairly clear that currently the energy required to produce ethanol is much greater than simply buring oil there are some potential synergies if grain producers, eth producers and cattle/livestock producers work together... which IMO is as likely as a successful herding of cats across the prairies  ;)

One caution is that if eth does ever take off as a North American wide energy source, on average Canadian farmland produces far less per section than our neighbours to the South and even less than the potential in the Black Sea region.