1 more thing Kevin, if you buy from a dealer hundreds of miles away, after you have spent time dickering at your local dealer, then there comes a time where you need service, maybe looking for a loaner, some special consideration on warranty, whatever, what do you expect your local guy to do for you when you didn't support him? An Odyssey is such an easy sell to a buyer who knows what he is talking about that I am not surprised they don't want to discount much. Ask if he will do $1000 off, that is a fair compromise for everybody.