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GM RWD Zeta back on track
« on: September 12, 2005, 11:02:23 am »
Believe I mentioned before  :-X that this never REALLY went away. Was announced simply to appease shareholders at the financial crush time, but work continued behind the scenes. Bring on the domestic hp wars!

Zeta returns as rwd option for GM

By Jason Stein
Automotive News / September 12, 2005
 
The next generation of the Pontiac GTO may come off GM's Zeta architecture. A current GTO is shown.
 
 
DETROIT - Six months after General Motors halted plans to use its Zeta rear-wheel-drive car architecture in North America, the company has revived the program.

In an interview with Automotive News last week, Jim Queen, GM's vice president of global engineering, said a revised version of Zeta is back on track.

Engineered at GM's Holden subsidiary in Australia, Zeta was expected to be the basis of the next-generation Pontiac Grand Prix and GTO; the Chevrolet Impala, Monte Carlo and a new version of the Camaro; and other vehicles. Vehicles in the program were expected to debut as early as 2006.

Queen did not discuss vehicles on the new version of Zeta or timing. Some vehicles that could be in the Zeta program include the next-generation Pontiac GTO as well as a Chevrolet coupe and sedans. They could debut by the 2009 or 2010 model year, say one company source and one industry analyst.

Queen said initial plans for Zeta stretched the architecture beyond its limits for some North American vehicles. "We needed to reassess and reconfigure the program," he said.

"As we started counting who was in and who was out of Zeta, we realized too late" that Zeta would not work in North America, Queen said.

Part of GM's reasoning in slowing Zeta's development was to focus on pulling forward its full-sized SUVs and pickups. GM's next-generation SUVs will debut early next year.

At the time, GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz wrote on GM's FastLane blog that GM had "canceled … plans to build rear-wheel-drive vehicles off the Zeta architecture."

"But that does not mean we've canceled plans to build rear-drive vehicles altogether," Lutz wrote. "We are simply reallocating resources (human and financial) to pull some other programs ahead and get other vehicles to market sooner."

The revised Zeta program is being developed in GM's Australian engineering center. The vehicle line executive on the program is Gene Stefanyshyn, the former vehicle line executive for GM's Epsilon, or mid-sized cars, in North America.

A GM spokesman said no product plans have been approved and that GM still is studying design themes, performance characteristics and variants for Zeta vehicles.

GM uses the term "architecture" to signify a common set of components, performance characteristics, a common manufacturing process, a range of dimensions and connecting points for key component systems.
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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2005, 11:39:19 am »
This is great news for the auto enthusiasts. I am however concerned that the recent run up in fuel costs due to the paranoia with one metrological event may signal the end of the HP wars. I think GM may have missed the opportunity and is jumping in too late.

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2005, 01:50:16 pm »
Interstingly I was speaking with a caddy rep at the drive on Saturday and he was saying that everyone screams GM doesn't make a manual RWD car, then they show up with the CTS and nobody wants one.  So true.


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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2005, 03:08:58 pm »
Interstingly I was speaking with a caddy rep at the drive on Saturday and he was saying that everyone screams GM doesn't make a manual RWD car, then they show up with the CTS and nobody wants one.  So true.

I think that's a marketing disconnect.  Having absolutely NO information on which to base this, I would guess there aren't too many people looking for a manual RWD CADDIE, try as they might to appeal to a younger crowd.  My guess is those people are looking for a pony car.
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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2005, 03:25:00 pm »
At the risk of stealing an obvious set up for Saf, I'll say I'd take a rear wheel drive Catherine ZETA Jones any day.......

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2005, 03:50:46 pm »
I think it's economics - admit that the CTS-V would be a great RWD machine - BUT it costs what in Canada? $60 large (guessing). There are other choices at that price. Need a great & powerful RWD machine at $35k a la Mustang GT but with seats for 4 and more utility to it.
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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2005, 05:09:23 pm »
..WHY TenPenny ya BIG WELSHER YOU .......dai 'a bolly'cal an all like....she can reverse her caboose inta ma DriveSchwingWays edmontime......!!!!!! ;D
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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2005, 05:46:43 pm »
Great!  Now every Harry D.ick and Tom's Jonesin' for a Zeta....

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2005, 05:49:01 pm »
...It's NOT UNUSUAL....!!!!!!!! :D.....but tha Green colour was......... :-X

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2005, 06:08:37 pm »
...It's NOT UNUSUAL....!!!!!!!! :D.....but tha Green colour was......... :-X

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2005, 06:35:45 pm »
...SPAM _ALERT he said PUSY!!!!!! an he powsteed naw peecs boyo..ABERYSSWETHABINATIONGOGOGIRLYPICSNEEDEORWYHTOOTTHISISUSELESSVANGOGWYTH...... :D

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2005, 06:47:06 pm »
From what I have read the driving dynamics of the CTS could be easily matched with an econo 300 hp engine to compete with the Mustang and the Charger wanabee. Ferk man the CTS is $35k with fancy-pants poser luxury appointments. Give us a stripper with 300 hp for the same price.

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2005, 06:55:25 pm »
What Snowy doan wanna play..hadden had his Stella Bottle _wottle YET!!!!!!! ;D

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2005, 06:58:58 pm »
No Saff...I thinks it's the stripper with 300 ponies that's got him preoccupied.

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2005, 07:02:06 pm »
..Yeah the charge of the LIGHT in the loafers brigade always gets him...into the valley of death rode the 600....Did they have Hemis in them Ponies.....? ::)

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2005, 01:07:29 am »
The current CTS-V is a Corvette engine thats put into the car. Give us a 405HP car in a stipper model for the $30 to $35000. price tag and they will sell like hotcakes. You can downgrade the interior and some of the fancy computor parts and build a real road car for around that price. The Vett even with the current gas prices gets around 30 to 35 MPG's on the highweay with the standard shift trannie. Build this with less toys at that price.  :)

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Re: GM RWD Zeta back on track
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2005, 04:54:10 pm »
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