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CAW has strike mandate
« on: August 31, 2005, 06:46:00 pm »
Members of the Canadian Auto Workers have given their union a strike mandate when negotiations start with Ford,GMC and Daimler-Chrysler.Buzz Hargrove has already stated that he intends to do some "hard" bargaining to get more money and benefits from The Big Three.

In light of the fact that The Big Three have had "fire sales" during July and August just to move some of their inventory,the coffers at the automakers aren't all that full. Ford has just announced that at least 400 white collar workers are getting pink slips.

Is it just a lot of bluster on the part of Buzz Hargrove or is he willing to take a chance on killing the goose that has been laying the golden egg in Ontario?

It's true that autoworkers have monotonous jobs,but they're very well paid and have the best benefits package of anyone in Canada.

William Clay Ford,president and CEO of the company that has his name,is not a guy I'd want to get into a pushing match with. He's closed a few plants since taking over the reins in Dearborn and I don't think he'd hesitate to put the Oakville plant into mothballs since it's not making any money at the moment.

A strike at Ford,Chrysler and GM would be devastating to local economies. Should the plants be closed for an extended period, the ripple affect will be felt throughout Canada.

So, what's the concensus-is Hargrove just bluffing or is he going to play hardball?

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CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2005, 06:49:48 pm »
Hargrove is an a$$.  

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CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2005, 06:54:13 pm »
Members of the Canadian Auto Workers have given their union a strike mandate when negotiations start

Every power house union does that before negotiations.  It's standard procedure.
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2005, 06:56:31 pm »



I've met Hargrove, and think he's an absolute idiot.
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2005, 06:58:55 pm »
Crazy given the state of the NA auto industry..
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Re: CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2005, 10:00:17 pm »
I make more than Hardgrove…..fack him. :-*

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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2005, 11:13:48 pm »
Doesn't matter how much or little the person makes...it doesn't determine diddly and really means nothing. 

The fact is Buzz has enough power to seriously disrupt an organization's ability to run a business.  He has a lot of power....he controls a lot of things and his decisions affect a lot of people.  This puff out the feathers attitude is nothing more than a battle cry to round up the troops.  Get the morale going and some energy behind his push into the negotiating table.  We all may think he's an idiot, but he's gotten his members a lot of things in past negotiations and these auto workers aren't paid that well for a reason.  Buzz isn't some pushover....he can get things done at the bargaining table.  He could care less about the state of the Big 3's market share, profitability, or ability to build good quality cars.  That's not his job.  Having said that, the new era has arrived and things need to change to ensure that both sides survive this latest bargaining session. 


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Re: CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2005, 11:19:28 pm »
 "We all may think he's an idiot,..."

I don't for one minute think he's an idiot, just that the NA auto industry does not need this strike action right now. Jobs can disappear when all the players are not on the same side. But I know that's the way the system works.. :P

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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2005, 11:28:40 pm »
I agree Ovr, he's a sharp cookie who has done a lot for the CAW members.  He may have also contributed to the problem the Big 3 face today but you know what, that's the Big 3's management's problem.  Blame them for not being as quick at the negotiating table.  They gave the CAW all that they have today.

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Re: CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2005, 12:03:46 am »
A strike would just hasten GM and Ford's bankruptcy.  The management of both companies seems intent on trying to sell vehicles for less than Hyundai and only a little more than Kia.  At current prices, I've read that they're currently taking a loss of $200-400 on most of their "Employee Discount" vehicles.  Obviously that's a losing strategy unless GM and Ford can reduce their cost structure to the point where it's on the level of the Korean automakers.  To do that, they need to completely reorganize, close factories, eliminate all their retired employee pensions, slash jobs, etc., and the only way they're going to do that is through bankruptcy reorganization.  I suspect management is deliberately gunning for bankruptcy, and a strike would just play into their hands.

Personally, I think GM and Ford management is utterly incompetent for trying to compete on price rather than value, technology, fuel efficiency, or quality, but management is not going to change their ways barring some kind of miracle.

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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2005, 02:52:06 pm »
I personally think Buzz is a very Intelligent gifted man with a lot of patience for the big 3 leadership. The big 3 leadership has always had a clause that they get the final say in the meaning of the language in the contract. There are many things that are left somewhat open ended and they have the final say NOT the Unions.  :)

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Re: CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2005, 02:55:31 pm »
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Re: CAW has strike mandate
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2005, 03:20:28 pm »

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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2005, 03:22:32 pm »
Buzz isn't an arse.  His actions may be....considering the state of the Big 3.