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« on: August 30, 2005, 12:24:25 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2005, 01:04:49 pm »
Hmmm...seems the picture of irony to have gas-guzzlin' SUV owners with deep pockets sharing the same HOT territory as the high-and-mighty hybrids, but they say opposites attract.  It sounds like it would work.  Put the fringes on the fringe and make some room for the rest of us plebs.
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2005, 01:32:09 pm »
You know that Hybrids are not really the answer - Diesel are so much more fuel efficient - you got to remember - when there cars are ready to be scrap these cars have massive of batteries that will clog up land fills somewhere.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2005, 01:45:44 pm »
I'm sorry, I'm getting really tired of the same endless comments on hybrids.  The battery disposal issue has been dealt with numerous times here (do your own search).  If you are going to knock hybrids, start with price and real world economy.  When you move on to diesels, look at particulate and NOx emissions as well as the barrels of crude/energy to produce issues.  This is getting very tiring ...
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2005, 01:49:56 pm »
And DAVID yer response to the posted article is WHAT????...Bye the way Diesel emissions are sinmple to control....you sound like a Luddite ,,,forgetting the complaints about "cleaning" gas cars a few years ago..GET WITH THE PROGRAM...there is NO ONE SOLUTION......until a new "Para DIME's" fer 100K cars come along!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2005, 02:11:30 pm »
Well Saf, I consider myself the opposite of a luddite (I invest in young startup tech companies for a living - I tend to lose money on stuff the rest of the world isn't ready for).  Diesel emission are simple to control, but they haven't been implemented yet.  Gas emissions and economy is simple to control (further) but they haven't yet either.  This is not about science, but consumer buying patterns and politics.

I absolutely agree there is no one solution, if you look at my post I point out the issues with hybrids that I believe are worth focusing on (and the issues with diesels that people usually conveniently forget).

If anything, I was acusing Mr. Meow of being a luddite (and the usual fear-mongering about hybrids).  If we are worried about those bats, we better start banning cell phones - those bats are much worse for the environment (Li+) and are far more plentiful.  I believe 500M new cell phones per year is the current uptake. (I will get an exact source and figure if anyone cares)

As for the article, I mostly agree.  I'm for encouraging hybrids, but clogging HOT/HOV lanes with single passenger hybrids is bad.  Two folks in a TDI is a much better use of fuel than just me in a Prius.  I'm all for bonus based on weight (I'm the big fan of light cars - Miatas remember!).

Personally, I want a diesel hybrid.  It'll be a torque monster ...

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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2005, 02:22:05 pm »
We differ BUT agree ...on the Diesel Hybrid,that is,fer the next 2 to 5 years!!???.....I'm just Batty about Kirsten Dunst....yeah I know Aracnaphobiaphiles and Bat Maidens are not the same thing...but who has Batman scored lately!!!????

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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2005, 02:51:10 pm »
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2005, 04:19:47 pm »
Safy, ever considered politics?
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2005, 05:00:19 pm »
The thing what makes me laugh about hyprids is that we already can have full hyprid not this half and half jobbies - fuel cell technology is there right now - so lets not do it this cop out.....its just we have there half and half jobbies simple because they thought the the public wert ready for fuel cells
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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2005, 05:36:50 pm »
I suggest you look up the term "hybrid"!!! Moron!
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2005, 05:40:55 pm »
Mr.Meow said:The thing what makes me laugh about hyprids is that we already can have full hyprid not this half and half jobbies - fuel cell technology is there right now - so lets not do it this cop out.....its just we have there half and half jobbies simple because they thought the the public wert ready.

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2005, 05:41:01 pm »
Also, as someone who is very deep in the fuel cell industry, unless you are going to pay $60k for an Echo/Yaris, the fuel cells won't be coming to a car in the next 5 years (I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't 15 years).  Also, you can't park/drive in freezing temps or in high heat.  Oh, and it takes a little while (measured in minutes) after you turn the key before you can actually drive.

The first fuel cell cars we ever get will be hybrids as well!
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2005, 06:09:40 pm »
The elevator not going to the top floor still, Meow?
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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2005, 11:07:50 pm »
doh - I ment to say fuel cells - and yes I know what a hybrid is :o ::)
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