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« on: August 27, 2005, 10:38:56 am »
Just back from our Estonia vacation, and thought I would post my thoughts on these 3 cars.

BTW, my favourite new euro vehicle (based on appearance) was the Peugeot 407, in both sedan and estate variants), this car is a real eye cathcer, much better in real life then pictures.

Ok 1st car was the Mondeo 3.0 V6 MY2005,  

Performance  
The 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine is surprisingly strong feeling ,packs quite a punch,numbers quoted to me were 100km around 7.5secs. It sounds great, too.Yes I tested the manual tranny variant.

Ride & handling  
Good chassis dynamics,the Mondeo is a big car but doesn't feel like it because its body movements are so well controlled and its steering is very solid feeling(Germanic).The suspension set-up as explained to me, is set up for highspeed,hence great on the highways, but the  ride is rather firm around town due to the ST's large wheels and low-profile tires.
Refinement, cabin materials and touchy feely is almost on par with VW/Audi (no kidding).
The benchmark was the VW Passat and Ford has come close to matching it. The trim textures, panel fit and damped action of many of the Mondeo's features show Ford's(Europe) determination to match the best, but wind noise from the rear at moderate speed, (maybe a bad seal or something). Road and suspension disturbance is absent on all but the worst(washboard) roads, and Estonia has some bad roads.The engine noise is  muted but audible rasp that adds a semi-sporting note, when you plant your right foot.
Conclusion-Wish it was sold in Canada.(say no more).

Focus 2.0 16v Titanium (wnated to test the 2.0TDCi, but none were available.
 
Performance  
Nicely set up engine, and provides decent acceleration,they tell me the diesels are especially torquey. Gearing ,etc felt 10 times better then my North American ZX5.(Its an insult what Ford NA offers our market in comparison to euro car)

Ride & handling  
The new Focus  suspension set up is firmer then my 2002 eurowagon, but at the same time it felt more able to  soak up the worst of those Estonia not so smooth highways and city streets.IMO at high speeds, the quality of the ride is excellent and the handling is super.Big time fun!!

Refinement  
Engine noise is  quiet and smooth, even when lead foot Luey's are driving. Wind and road noise are effectively sealed out. All of the controls work nicely with a good substance feeling.I was vey impressed with the solidness of the new Focus, much improved over my 2002 Eurowagon. The doors are heavy and close with almost a Volvo like clunk.The driving position is excellent, with a greater range of adjustment than in the old car. I thought with the sloping rear roofline that headoom for rear paxs would be limited,however, there’s good headroom and an airy feel to the rear of the cabin, and lots of trunk space.

Conclusion-Very surprised how nice the new Focus is in all aspects, if it was sold here, it would put the Mazda3 to shame. The wagon variant is stunning.
 
Renault Mégane Coupé Cabriolet 2.0T 16v  

Performance  
The 136bhp 2.0 feels weak and needs a downshift before climbing hills or passing. The diesel would have been better suited (again none available)

Ride & handling  
Not much fun which was a big surpirse, soft ride, which is comfortable, hence body lean when you hit the bendy bits. The steering   feel is null and void. With the roof down the Mégane shakes rattles and rolls over potholes and rough roads.

Refinement  
Roof-up, the Mégane is a quiet place to be. The engines are quiet unless revved hard.Rear suspension thump on poor surfaces(hated that), while wind noise gets bad at speeds of 100km.  

Conclusion-major disappointment, when I seen the car on the road, it looks fun, but its not.

I wanted to test drive a V50 2.0D, but again no diesels available.

One last note on which models or mfgs cars I seen the most.
1.VW
2.Opel
3.Ford/Mazda (Mazda6 wagons out numbered sedans 5-1)
4.Toyota (euro models put ours to shame)
5.Peugeot,Citroen (Puegeot 307 wagons, super nice car)  
Most seen SUV's ,X-trail followed by Kia Sorrento, then Toyota Land Cruiser (which is a Lexus, don't know the #variant for here)BTW Infiniti is now sold in Europe, my friend has a FX35(very nice auto), and she said there are only 4 in all of Estonia,(she also has 1 of the 3, 300Z cars in Estonia as well,did some fun cruising in these 2 vehicles.

Not too many Honda Accords(TSX), but most spotted were wagon variants.

Lots of Audi's,BMW's,Volvo's and MB's, wagon variants again being prominent. BTW Volvo V50 out numbered the S40 as far as sightings 25-2.
Also Lexus is finally being considered a good car there.Saw a few new ones, sorry I do not know Lexus models numbers.

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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 01:41:20 pm »
Fords are better in Europe - simple because they not built in Mexico - they are shlt here - hell even VW are better there - because of this fact alone - which is shame - I would have a Euro Focus in flash.

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« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 02:01:23 pm »
Nice!

Welcome back S60, any pics of these fine auto's and your vacation?


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« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 02:33:35 pm »
No pics, as I did not have a camera with me. My wife took the camera on her horse shopping excursion.

Mr_meow, Fords in Europe are much better, but has nothing to do with them being built in Mexico.

This link will show the car I drove (blue) the price tax included in approx CAD $29,900.00.
I will mention the lead in  price for the Focus starts at CAD $18,400 up to CAD $33,100.
http://www.ford.ee/?action=showPage&name=uusfocus_galerii

Mondeo (black) CAD $46,700.00. If I was to buy a Mondeo I would choose the Sportback (5 door) 2.5 V6 170hp priced at CAD $38,900.Lead in prices start at CAD $26,700, and remember pricing in Estonia includes all taxes, etc.
http://www.ford.ee/?action=showPage&name=mondeo_galerii

Renault Coupe (red) price I did not bother to ask
http://www.renault.com/img/gamme/images/coupecab_ext1.jpg

http://www.renault.com/img/gamme/images/coupecab_ext8.jpg

http://www.renault.com/img/gamme/images/coupecab_int1.jpg

But I would seriously consider the Peugeot 407 at a price around CAD $28-30,000.00,prices top out at around CAD $46,000.
http://www.peugeot.ee/index.php?a=1&click
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 03:58:12 pm »
Canadian customers would not pay the price for a Euro quality Ford Focus... Audi may be able to sell a $38,000 compact but I doubt the tightwad consumers here would go much higher than they already do for the existing Focus. Ford doesn't exactly have the cache here that they do across the pond...

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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2005, 04:30:55 pm »
Mr_meow has too many cat nip toys. Get help man.

Tanks for the reviews S60. You can be CD’s European correspondent. Since Bob spends too much time driving his go-kart.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 04:42:29 pm »
The car scene in Europe is so much better then the one here in Canada. How I wish we could have cars like the Ford Mondeo, Skoda Fabia, Octavia, VW Polo, Peugeot 206,307,407, Fiat Stilo, Punto, Alfa Romeo 147,156,159, GT etc etc........

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 07:17:36 pm »
S60, I totally agree with your assessment of Mondeo. I drove a Mondeo 2.0 Ghia in HK. Although it doesn't have lots of power, its handling is good enough to let you forget about it. Its that good!!

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2005, 07:19:14 pm »
Then again maybe the Europeans wish they had big honking V8 powered American behemoths.. if only their gas wasn't $2.50 a litre???

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2005, 05:53:22 pm »
Thanks for sharing the experience of your test driving those vehicles.  The Eurofocus wagon is a real stunner!  They are very Volvo-esque in appearance.

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2005, 08:22:48 pm »
Meow... determinating quality levels solely from country-of origin is discrimination.  Your philosophy is wrong.

Ford of Europe does have some cars which we would like here in Canada, but in europe the consumers expect to pay more for the same car.  They also expect more features.  Also, design criterion from the EU is different than what we have.  They are different markets, therefore different versions of the same car.  Canadians in general are cheap.

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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 10:43:38 pm »
Robbie how right you are, Canadians being Cheap. We are SO over Facking Taxed to Death that we don't have much pennies left. We have to be Cheap to survive.

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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2005, 11:21:55 pm »
Robarakira you get me wrong my friend - just look at the evidence - how many cars that are built in Mexico that are not as reliable as Toyota or Honda - I don't think its because of the workforce thats at fault - I think its more a quality as well as price issue - that the cars are built cheap  - that are built  by Nth American manufactories - Cars built by Japanese manufacturers in nth America are higher quality - So you get a much better car - we only have to look at honda for that -  nth American manufacturers are slowly changing - this new batch seems to be the next step - some are built in Mexico as well.  
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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2005, 11:31:35 pm »
The Honda Toyota best in class B.S. is a myth that the marketing folks have successfully dumped on the North American public .

dont believe it.

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« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2005, 11:35:43 pm »
I have heard many horror stories about Nissan/Infiniti either. Mazda, on the other hand, are pretty positive.

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« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2005, 12:12:23 am »
Nowadays nobody can fault a car for being built in one country.  Most cars on our roads are the result of work in many countries.  A Sweedish Volvo may be put together in Canada, Canadain manufactured American chrysler cars may have mexican parts, Japanese Honda cars built in Canada were designed in California....

You do make a point about manufacturers trying to save money, but it's not black and white depending on location. Rather, that a car built with no worries about cost (ex. Phaeton) would probably be better in quality than one built on a budget.

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« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 09:53:34 am »
Anybody can assemble cars with the proper training. Good management, engineering, and component manufacturing are the key issues.

It is much easier to locate an assembly plant in a region or country with a high school educated people to draw from. The opportunity for companies to locate assembly plants in poor economies is in payroll burdens.

Domestic assembly plants are not the problem. It is a combination of poor engineering, succumbing to Union pressures, and the relentless beating the parts suppliers are under to lower costs to make up for bad management.

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« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2005, 11:16:38 am »
Volvo S40s and V50s are made in Belgium...  Porsche Cayennes are from Slovakia, Audi TTs are Hungarian, BMW X3s come from Austria; X5s are from the USA...  The list goes on and on...
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« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2005, 10:28:36 pm »
Good write up S60, you are lucky to have driven these vehicles. I agree completely with your assesment of the mondeo. And I have always loved the look of Peugots. To this day I keep hearing rumours that Peugot will come over to our shores, however I highly doubt it.

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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2005, 12:19:23 pm »
Once again, why do you guys need so much power? 2.0 seems not enough to you... I have 1.1L and can cope with the traffic, which is wilder in every aspect compared to Canada, with ease. I think you're spoiled with power and cheap gas.

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