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« on: August 24, 2005, 03:44:14 pm »
Found this interesting article.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0419/p13s02-wmgn.html

Last fall, a brand new BMW 3-series car rolled into the Old Dominion Carstar Collision Center in Eugene, Ore. - literally. A teenager was "driving dad's car," says shop owner Patty McConnell, and rolled it over - with little apparent structural damage. The teen walked away, and normally the damage wouldn't have been hard to repair. But the BMW had so many air bags "it looked like a balloon," recalls Ms. McConnell. The new car, worth more than $30,000, was totaled.  
Costly air bags, expensive electronics, and lightweight body materials are driving up the cost of fixing new cars. Not only do many more parts have to be replaced rather than repaired, but fewer and fewer body shops can afford the special equipment and training required to do the work."We're moving closer and closer to the disposable car," says Dan Bailey, an executive vice president at Carstar, the largest auto-body repair franchise in the United States.

Repairing a new car a decade ago, for example, cost an average of $2,578 per claim, while in 2003, the cost had ballooned to $3,681, a 43 percent increase that has outpaced inflation, says Kim Hazelbaker, senior vice president and head of loss claims analysis with the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) in Arlington, Va.

Normally it takes a lot of damage to total a brand-new vehicle. Insurance companies calculate the value of a car before the accident and subtract its value as scrap. As long as the result is more than the cost of repair, the car is worth fixing.

But many new cars today cost so much to fix that it's becoming harder to justify repairs. The BMW that hit McConnell's shop had dual front, side, and side- curtain air bags. Federal safety rules do not allow air bags to be reused. So each bag would have had to be replaced with a brand new one. The sensors and pyrotechnics that set them off also required replacement. Add the cost of labor, more than $1,000 for each air bag, and even more for the sensors, and the result is a totaled car.

Before the advent of air bags, only 8 percent of damaged cars were totaled. Today, the figure is nearly 20 percent and rising. "As they continue to put more air bags in these vehicles, the figure is going to continue to escalate," says Mr. Bailey of Carstar. Not only do the number of air bags (two in front have been required since 1996) increase costs, today's new "smart" air bags, with sensors that control whether they deploy and how hard, cost more than older bags. Seat belts, too, have "once-and-done" pretensioners that have to be replaced - even on unoccupied seats - after an accident.

"There are a lot [of electronics in cars] today that weren't there in the past," says Mr. Hazelbaker of HLDI. "And if they're damaged, they are going to have to be bought new. There's only one source, the automaker, so you're going to pay full retail price."

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And a lot more besides, in the article.
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2005, 05:31:24 pm »
If I had a brand new BMW, my teenage kid (if I had one) would go nowhere near that thing

Those expensive sensors and airbags save a lot of lives though... I mean, the kid walked away unscathed after rolling over the car. Wouldn't it be kind of hard to roll over a 3-series anyway?

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2005, 05:55:27 pm »
"Wouldn't it be kind of hard to roll over a 3-series anyway?"

Ah young grasshopper, never underestimate the ability of the stupid.  image

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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2005, 06:02:22 pm »
I don't doubt that is one of the main causes of high insurance premiums....but on the other hand, these things save a lot of lives.  It's a tradeoff that I'm willing to pay.

Reminds me of the Air France jet crash in Toronto - there is speculation that it may cost MORE in lawsuits than if everyone died!!! What's the point of that?????

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2005, 06:17:17 pm »
Tough call.  I'm not strictly opposed to paying higher insurance premiums if the result is more lives saved...  but it would be nice to see said companies post smaller profits and repair more vehicles than are.  Every time a vehicle is written off, a new car has to built in its place - think about the enviornmental effect of that, especcially if these trends continue.

The "disposable car" idea scares me...

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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2005, 02:35:08 pm »
Hell yeah...Ain't life a BEACH...do I forget my Birth Control or have a Friday PM abortion,should I go to work daily OR sue my BOSS fer "whateffer" is the suit de jour..ageism,sexism,dumbism..!!!,My Fast food is TOO slow..TOO HOT..TOO fattening ..where's my Lawyer..WHO AM I AGAIN....!!! a Fiction of the MEDIA or  a REALITY....please GOD let me wake up!!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2005, 03:55:13 pm »
Just for you Saf, to illustrate your fairly abstract comment
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2005, 03:58:05 pm »
Oh shut yer FAT FACE UP!!!!...froggy!!!!!

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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2005, 03:58:48 pm »
That's it, I sue you!

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2005, 04:00:01 pm »
I see you and raise yer LARD ASS...!!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2005, 09:38:20 pm »
While it is true that airbags are responsible for higher repair costs this bit of info
Repairing a new car a decade ago, for example, cost an average of $2,578 per claim, while in 2003, the cost had ballooned to $3,681, a 43 percent increase that has outpaced inflation, says Kim Hazelbaker, senior vice president and head of loss claims analysis with the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) in Arlington, Va.  


Is very misleading. The average claim IS in fact much higher than a decade ago. But this is only partially related to repair costs. A vast majority of the increases we have seen in recent years is driven by rising insurance premiums and FEAR of actually filing a claim. People don't put in claims for $1000 anymore. They fear that if the put a claim their rates will rise dramatically. Possibly their rates rise MORE than what the insurance company pays out on a single claim. For example if you had a $500 deductible and your rates would go up by say $600 a year for one claim would it make sense to pay $500 in deductible + $600 in increased premiums for a total of $1100 or just bite the bullet and pay $1000 out of pocket to get it fixed.

I work in the claims industry and its fact that customer pay business has shot up.It fact than more people than ever have raised deductibles to $1000 or more. The average claim paid is higher but the NUMBER of total claims is down dramatically. people are not having fewer accidents. they are are either paying for it themselves or not getting it fixed.  

I've seen people pay $3000 or more out of pocket just to avoid filing a claim. Its sad but true.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2005, 12:25:22 pm »
Maybe the INDUSTRY !!! is puttin' out these fables to avoid claims....funnier things have happened...!!!Paranoia REIGNS....

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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2005, 11:13:55 am »
Sometimes a bit of socialism is beneficial - I paid $1511/yr. for registration and insurance for the new HL when I got it end of April05. Yesterday, in the mail, I rec'd a cheque from ICBC for $163 as a refund as the rates for certain parts of the optional insurances declined effective June 15/05 and ICBC opted to return the excess based on the new rates. I'm as much of a free-enterpriser as most, but I seriously doubt that a privately owned insurance co would have done that.  

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2005, 11:15:46 am »
Yeh Ovr...HOW IS CASTRO's health these days!!!!