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RSX versus RX8 -- Round 2
« on: August 19, 2005, 01:15:45 pm »
Okay, it's getting stuffy in here, so I've decided to re-hash another old debate that had me beaten with reeds, then burned at the stake before.

It's not a secret to the regulars here that I'm a big fan of the RSX Type-S and have been for quite a while.  It's extremely well-equipped with all the luxury bells n' whistles, handles incredibly well (not just for an FWD car, but overall -- it handles really, really well), is a hoot to rev out to 8,000 RPMs with its gloriously smooth engine and has one of the best 6-speeds going.  Being an Acura, it's as reliable as rising gas prices, death and taxes and has the practicality of a hatchback and very decent fuel economy.

The RX8 on the other hand is a little meaner-looking -- particularly from the front (and lets face it, when you buy a sports car, you want it to look sexy too); is slightly quicker in acceleration than the little Acura and in a track setting due to its phenomenal suspension set up, perfect weight balance and RWD drivetrain.  The RX8 provides a visceral thrill the likes of which I've not experienced in any other car I've driven.  It's the sort of machine that would make a person legitimately want to go seeking the long, twisty way home, as cliche as that may sound.

The Sept (I think) issue of Car and Driver pits the RSX against the WRX and the rest of the noobie "cheap sports machines" (ie. Cobalt SS, SRT4, etc.) and chooses the RSX-S for being such a perfectly balanced, practical, all-round enjoyment machine.  In the same issue is the wrap-up test for the much-loved RX8 that identified a number of mechanical and design concerns.

At this time, the lease rate on a new RSX is 2.8% for 48 months -- coupled with strong residuals and that means the top-model RSX works out to about $100 per month less than the entry-level RX8.  The RX8 GS has no leather, no heated seats, no sunroof (which of course is 'no problem' for a real sports car anyway, right?).  If you work in the Mazda's higher fuel costs and more expensive 18" tires to replace, the difference is probably closer to $125+/month overall (accounting for insurance costs are lower for the Mazda, I'm told).

Having recently driven an RX8 on a nice, half-hour, aggressive test drive, I came away wanting to take one home that very minute.  In the two weeks since though, my memory of the exhilaration has faded slightly, and I've begun to wonder... can the RSX give almost the same emotional appeal; be more reliable; more practical and save a person more than $6000 over a 4 year lease that could otherwise be spent on vacations or investments?  The two latest RX8 recalls this week certainly make me fear that after the first few years into the enjoyment -- are things gonna start melting down on that rotary-powered fun machine?

Now, I know for some of you, you'd use the car for Autocross competition -- the RX8 is a no brainer choice then.  For others, a car seat is a must.  Again, it'd be a pain having to forego the mini-doorlets of the RX8 for the RSX's full two-door layout.  But in real life, day-to-day living, with rising gas prices, hectic schedules prohibiting regular visits to the service department, snowy winters, stop-and-go traffic and vehicular law-enforcement that frowns upon bad-ass, tail-sliding cornering, does the RSX-S represent a better value?

(now where did that flogging-a-dead-horse smiley go?)

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 01:20:24 pm »
Just lie down on the COUCH ...sir....the Safchiatrist will be IN ta see ya shortly......!!!!
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 01:28:18 pm »
jeff my last two cars are similar to yours.
03 bmw 330 xi 5spd
00 Audi A4 Quattro 5spd

Sooo Are you going to ADD one of these two to the stable?  I have seen both but never looked closely but intuitively I'd buy the Honda...just because.... it is a "real" engine and is to my eye better looking.

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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 01:35:07 pm »
Add one to the stable?  Me?  (laughs nervously).... no, but I just need to start shopping for the next car years in advance (as the old timers here know).  Some days I just wish I had something less classy and more sassy than the Audi and I'm trying to put out some valuable information for others who may visit the forum.

Yeah, that's it... they'll all buy that crap...

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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 01:44:00 pm »
vell yass nurse I do hear him mummbling to hisself,but he comez frum a broken hume...they had to knock off the Conservatory to put in the Olympic Pool,Jacuzzi & 6 car garage....call me when the sedatives kick in.....!!!!"

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 02:10:50 pm »
Although I've beaten up the rabbit-licence-plate-toothed RX-8 a lot, the Acura is lately showing some negatives to me too.  RWD would have been more fun on the RSX, but it's fatal flaw as a FWD car is the lack of an LSD.  2006 RSX-S need not apply; see 2006 Civic Si, or await 2007 Acuras.

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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 02:11:33 pm »
As a daily driver, the RX8 is quiet, refined, easy to slip through traffic, has decent power over 5000rpm, and can accomodate 4 people comfortably. I am 6'1'' and have room to sit in the back, though my head does touch if I sit up real straight.

Driving an RX8 on a semi-regular basis recently, I now realize just how thirsty it is. We spent some time at the track, and the rate at which it consumed gas there was just unbelievable.
In terms of torque, you can't compare it to a 350Z, but then again the 350Z only has 2 seats, and costs almost $10000 more, when comparing base prices. The RX8 feels lighter on its feet, and handles beautifully, but the lack of torque can leave you wanting.  

I have not driven an RSX, so I can't compare the two, though  I don't personally think they are in the same league based solely on their drivetrain layouts. I have read the Car & Driver article, and I can see how they reached their conclusion, but I'm sure any one of us would choose a different car in that lineup for any number of reasons. More power, better handling, more traction (in the great white North) or even more doors for that matter.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2005, 09:25:20 am »
Groundhog Day…..make it stop

I like the RX-8 as I took one for an extensive test drive…..then there is T’s relentless drone. I would like to take an RSX for a ride and finally put some closure on this.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2005, 12:07:16 pm »
RX8, easy. It's RWD.
Power is how fast you hit the wall... Torque is how far you take the wall with you!


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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2005, 11:52:01 pm »
If you don't mind STi appearance, that is another option to consider - fast, reliable, RWD/AWD on demand, gas consumption on par with RX8, handles great, has WAY more power than RX8/RSX.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2005, 10:53:37 am »
STi is over 50 grand, whereas the RX is just over 40K, thats a pretty good price difference.

After driving an S2k for over 2 yrs now, I'd never go back to FWD again.  RX8, no question.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2005, 10:03:12 pm »
How about an Alfa GTA?

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2005, 09:36:40 am »
..OR...as they call them in ALL the ads....ALPHA,ALPHAR,AFLAC...!!!! don't think I've ever seen a print ad with the right spelling...signed ROMEO...!!!!! where for ARFT THOU....GUILIANI...?????

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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2005, 11:09:05 am »



Well actually, I've seen new RX-8's go for $34Gs + taxes. Often low rates as well. Mazda seems to always have a good deal or two layin' around.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2005, 11:17:25 am »
The GS is only $36k list


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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2005, 09:44:19 pm »
RX8 ..hands down. Great balance, easy to drive hard, forgiving..slightly darty on wet roads.
Why not pick one up and resell after a year or two?
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2005, 12:48:03 pm »
The RSX-S is also forgiving and very easy to drive hard.  For everything except on-track, at-the-limit driving, the nimbleness, and overall grip is very similar between the two.  

I think people get too caught up in these cars that are of the oh-so-magical 50/50 weight distribution and RWD.  Sure on the track and on paper it makes a difference, but for trying to get your own personal best on the on-ramps, is it worth spending more than $100/month extra?  I'm not so sure.  

Mazda dealerships worry me too.  My brother recently took his Protege5 in for its routine service and was told that at 48,000kms his brakes were dangerously close to needing repair and that his transmission needed a complete flush and that his alignment was way off.  Being skeptical, he took the car to a less-convenient (out-of-town) but well trusted private mechanic who showed my brother that the brakes actually still had 50%+ wear left; the transmission fluid was exactly as it should be at 48k and the alignment was just very slightly out -- nothing to worry about until he gets new tires in a few months.  I've heard a few other less-than-satisfied customers who have had to deal with Mazda service.  Might Acura's service centres be better?

I don't think it should be so "hands down it's the RX8" in this decision.  

(nice to get some new perspectives on this since the old dogs here have seen this debate before)...

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2005, 01:00:51 pm »
STFU Herk and go prance around the Parthenon with your goat-friend.

I was most pleased with the handling of the RX-8 in all situations and I think it would make a great daily driver ready to pounce on any twisties which may be encountered. The more practical aspect of the suicide rear doors makes it an easy decision for me at this stage in my life.  

Mazda service would concern me as well along with the fuel consumption. To me it is well worth the extra $100/month in payment…..and the $100/month for fuel. The RX-8 is more of a classy sports car that compared to the boy-racer RSX.

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2005, 01:13:55 pm »
True, classier I suppose.. though the verdict is definitely split on the RX8's styling.  I've had some people tell me they think it's weird and hideous-looking.

The extra doors do make sense for ingress/egress for a gangly old fart such as yourself.  The back seat is mostly an occasional parcel shelf for me so it's a moot point to me.

The wiffy tells me that the $100/month difference is supposed to go to her Sea-Doo which is why I'm even looking at these cars right now in the first place!  Ahhhh, ain't marriage grand?

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2005, 01:20:57 pm »
Jeff, the difference is much more than $100/month when you take into account the fuel consumption of the RX8 vs the RSX. Probably much closer to $200/month IMO, depending on how much you'd drive it.

If you were buying, it'd be a no-brainer and I would suggest that you buy the RSX because of the reliability, resale value and the possible problems with the rotary engine... the latest RX8 recalls are quite scary... But since you are talking about leasing, I don't know... If you can lease the RX8 for 36 months, I think that's what I would do. I would NOT lease the RX8 past its warranty, too risky IMO.

If you really want/need to lease for 48 months, go with the RSX. It'll serve you well, be tons of fun to drive, be extemely cheap to run and you don't need to worry about flooding the engine everytime you turn off/on the engine.