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« on: August 14, 2005, 04:33:06 pm »
I am new to this site, but have had a few laughs already with the wide variety of opinions on any and everything possible.

Lease is up on my 2001 Blazer, and while I had thought of buying it, I was swayed by the lack of reliability it showed, and the miserable experiences I had with the Chev dealer. One of my freinds has a mechanic shop, and also suggested I look into the Toyota and Nissan products.

Now to the dilema.. Have looked at both the above AWD's and can't make up our minds. The car/truck (Caruck?) will be driven mainly be my 5 foot tall wife, and I (6'2")will get it when we travel together. I like lots of the goodies that come with SL MO, but am worried of all the computerization it has. Anybody out there have any experience on it?

The HI looks great in the B package, but I want to keep away from leather....I still have an 89 Cherokee with leather, and we are not too fond of having our skin stick to it winter and summer. In the AWD V6 base, it is anemic of features, and looks kinda cheap.

Please try to keep the jocularity to a reasonable level, since I will be making a decision this week, and putting down some money on a lease next week.  

Your opinion is valued, however I would appreciate it if the coments are kept to the above vehicles. We have looked at almost everything out there, except the US products, and have narrowed it down to these two.

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 05:44:10 pm »
Welcome Zeeboy! Just being the welcome wagon today, as I'm not into trucks.  

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 06:00:29 pm »
Welcome. I'm sure that Ovr will be along soon. His last purchase decision came down to these two vehicles, so he'll be able to help.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 06:35:42 pm »
Zeeboy47 - as avtoller says above, my choices back in Mar/Apr '05 were down to the exact 2 you are considering. I was comparing a '05 HL V6 AWD w "B" (leather) Pkg. against the Murano SL w sunroof. Equipped that way, the 2 are almost identical in price. As background, I have had several Toyota and am pleased with the service I get at the local Toy. store. I have not had a Nissan since about 1996 so am not as familiar with the local Nissan service shop. I did, however, have an acquaintance in sales at the local Mercedes shop which is common ownership with the Nissan shop.  

For me, the "pros" of the Murano were"
- I like the Murano styling (some don't),
- I liked the extra interior features of the Murano (sorry, can't remember them all now but 6 CD changer, dual zone A/C, information screen were some),
- I liked the 3.5L Nissan engine which has an excellant reputation. It had 245hp and 246 lb/ft torque,

The "cons" of the Murano were:  
- the CVT tranny concerned me,  
- the 18" wheels were going to make snow tire buying expensive.
- the AWD system was only part-time as opposed to HL's full-time.
- research on web sites tutned up numerous complaints about the alternators (since the subject of a recall) and the CVT tranny failing in some cars (warranty item but still??).  
- as I was dealing away a one year old RAV4, my deal at Toyota was slightly better.

The "pros" of the Highlander w B pkg:  
- a proven vehicle since 2001, with great resale values,  
- the 3.3L V6 not quite as strong at 230hp & 242lb/ft torque but the HL a few pounds less so difference was negligible (pounds per hp very close),  
- the interior was far superior in feel, fit and finish and I wanted leather which the MO SL did not have at that level,  
- the styling of the HL is more conservative than that of the MO, but I liked the HL styling w the B Pkg alloy wheels and I added the chrome side step rails and color keyed rear deflector. I agree the Base HL is quite bland.  
- I would have probably said the MO drove a bit "nicer" initially, but having had my HL now for almost 4 months, I must say I really enjoy driving the HL and I like the overall vehicle more every day.  
- the rear area behind the rear seats of the HL is better shaped and more spacious than the MO's space there (I have a 115# dog who rides back there).  
- the HL is a few inches shorter than the MO and fits in my garage better (a very minor point tho).  

The "cons" for the HL were:  
- no sunroof at this level,  
- some say the styling is boring but w B pkg I find it conservatively attractive.  
- not as well equiped inside as the MO, but the interior feels more quality than the MO. The MO dash is more "modern", the HL dash is more "traditional".  

They are both very good vehicles - I guess the keys for me in favor of the HL were:
- Toyota reliability and resale,  
- Toyota quality
- I was very concerned about the comments on the MO alternator and CVT problems (Highlander sites had no such serious matters),  
- fulltime AWD for HL vs part-time for MO.

I got the '05 Highlander in Indigo Ink (blue) with Grey Leather and added chrome step rails and rear spoiler. I am very pleased with my vehicle and it runs flawlessly. I is an extremely comfortable hiway cruiser, while not being overly large in town.  

When I see Muranos on the road, I still like them; but I am glad I went for the Highlander.  

Hope this helps but everyone is different and has different likes/dislikes. Incidently, the B Pkg includes seat heaters so the leather is not so cold in the winter.  

Good luck - both are excellant.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 06:58:57 pm »
Since we're only limited to the two vehicles mentioned....there's nothing more to say.

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 07:15:38 pm »
Murano...Murano....Murano


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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2005, 07:16:49 pm »
"I'm not into trucks."

James, neither of the vehicles discussed are "trucks" - they are crossovers and a mix of sedan and wagon with AWD. I think you know that.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2005, 07:48:39 pm »
Technically not a truck I agree, anything higher than a car though I'm not into. Heck even some of todays sedans are getting close to truck in size for me.  I like small cars. :-)

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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2005, 08:08:04 pm »
No problem with that...

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2005, 11:49:45 pm »
Ovr,
You hit the nail on the head! I found that the MO had lots of extra stuff on the inside. One of the nicest was the adjustable pedal hight (for my wife).
As far as price, you are right, in that they are almost alike. After DP, $500/month, but that is for the base HL V6 AWD vs the base MO SL.

One thing I found though here in Montreal is that the Toyota dealers think they have the best product on the road, and are not willing to budge from their MSRP minus factory incentives. It is "my way or the highway". The Nissan dealer on the other hand was willing to throw in free oil change for the lease duration, and a cargo mat. No arm bending (ok, not much).

As you I am concerned with the CVT tranny, but as you say it is a warranty item, so....I had heard that one of the big 3 was going to start using the nissan CVT in one of it's mix and match vehicles next year, so I would think that it is robust enough. I don't know I would want to trailer the 3500 lbs they rate it at, but time will tell.

Tires for the winter are a real pain. so far I have only found Dunlops at over $200 a piece. Some of the tire stores are telling me that I can get around the 18inchers by going with 16" rime, and corresponding tires to end up with the original total size. At least I will have a choice of manufacturers this way. Also will help the mags.

By now you can sense that I am leaning to the MO....The wife and I went to kick the tires again today, and found a MO in Platinum with charcoal interior.....very nice!

Perhaps we can have a long term comparison of the 2!

BTW MDX, I would have looked at the mdx, but it is way over my budget. If you have a really good suggestion, please offer it.

Thanks to all who took the time to respond.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 12:00:56 am »
Zee - the Platinum with Charcoal interior is very nice indeed. I also liked the Merlot w Charcoal. I know you would enjoy the MO and as you are leasing, concerns about longevity of the CVT are not so important. And you correct, Toyota dealers generally will budge very little off MSRP. I was able to do well on my trade tho and that made my HL deal just a touch better.  

I would arrange for winter tires ASAP as there seems to tire supply problems this year in general, and the MO tires (whether you stay with the 18" or not) make it that much harder. I am looking at present for winters for my HL. I don't think it's too early (although hard to get in the mood when it's 30 C plus outside ).  

Let us know what you decide. Remember, we all love to see pix of your new ride once you get it.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2005, 12:16:03 am »
As I would be buying to keep it for a long time (as is my way) I would go for the Toyota far above the Nissan.  The Highlander is typical Toyota: ultra reliable and built to exacting standards.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the looks of either, but that's purely subjective.  I do slightly favour the more conservative duds of the Highlander but admit the Murano has aged a bit better than I thought it might.

Leasing and never driving out of warranty?  Drive them both and pick the one you like better...
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2005, 12:19:28 am »
How do the two compare, fuel economy wise?
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2005, 12:22:00 am »
I really see two cars with two different strong points.  

The Highlander is the more practical of the two.  Boxy shape with huge cargo volume with a no nonsense drivetrain.  Full time AWD is a plus for more aggressive off roading.  May not be for purely city driving.  

The Murano is the sleek urban assault vehicle with style and chic.  Interior volume is compromised with the design but it offers a suitable on demand AWD system with a very powerful engine.  Good on pavement roadholding.  Running FWD in city may be advantageous unless slippery surfaces are encountered.  I have this sort of system in the MDX, it works well for me and my needs.  I don't need fulltime AWD.

Depending on family circumstances (kids, haul stuff of family trips etc), then there should be a obvious winner.  With our family needs, we looked at the RX330, FX35, MDX, Highlander, Pilot, Discovery etc and ended up with the reliable Honda powertrain with a huge cargo area.    That and it came with all the electronic gadgets without breaking the bank.

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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2005, 12:34:10 am »
84im - pretty close I think. The MO needs premium whereas the HL runs on 87 but 91 is "recommended" for better performance. The CVT of the MO is supposed to (in theory) give better mileage but in practice, from what I read/hear it does not. Fuel economy of both will be so close as not sway the choice one way or the other IMO.  

And as John said above, as I was buying for the longer pull, the bullet-proof reliability of the Toyota was important to me.

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2005, 12:57:53 am »
"There are some issues with the Murano's (and also the Infiniti FX's) drive-by-wire system, which causes sudden unexpected stalling or loss of power at highway speeds. Take a look at the Nissan and Infiniti owners forums. There have been enough complaints and cases, that the NHTSA in the US has launched and investigation as of late last week."

The above post was just made by "gta_driver" in the "Buying and Selling" threads. Zee - you might want to check it out to see if there's fire there or just smoke?

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2005, 08:24:39 am »
The CVT of the MO is supposed to (in theory) give better mileage but in practice, from what I read/hear it does not

The CVT most likely does improve its mileage, but the engine isn't as good on fuel as the Highlander. Put the CVT transmission into your Highlander and you'd probably achieve better fuel economy than with your Toyota automatic transmission. Technology is only as good as your weak link, and in the Murano, the weak link for fuel economy is its engine.

That said, I'd take the Highlander without a doubt. Just too many question marks with the Murano. Unless you're leasing or only planning to keep 4-5 years... THEN I'd go with the Murano for its stronger engine and overall sportier character.

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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2005, 11:09:13 am »
Style-wise, it's the Nissan Batmobile Vs. the Toyota Grocery Getter. One's a bit too radical, the other a bit too conservative for me. I lean toward fun and the Murano.

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2005, 11:39:25 am »
I'd seriously consider a BMW X3.  With fantastic lease rates, it might fit under the $500/mnth budget after optioning it up the way you want to.

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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2005, 08:11:00 pm »
Zeeboy - any news yet in the great search, Murano vs Highlander?