Author Topic: The return of Renault to North America? (Read 8333 times)

Mdxtasy · « **Reply #80 on:** August 08, 2005, 01:48:41 am »

Every time this non-automotive history stuff/pissing match appears, it reminds me how old all you farts really are. :-)

ovr50 · « **Reply #81 on:** August 08, 2005, 01:53:26 am »

I prefer the term "experienced"....

Mdxtasy · « **Reply #82 on:** August 08, 2005, 02:22:02 am »

"I prefer the term "experienced"...."

"Apathy doesn't really matter" - Anon.

You said it...not me Ovr. :-)

Can't wait for the other guys to continue their Royal Rumble.

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Snowman · « **Reply #83 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:03:44 am »

Fabre….I’m not a history buff nor do I have any desire to be one. Your comments were very anti-American and I took offence to that. Rather than making such statements like you knew exactly what happened 60 years ago you could have been more politically correct and opened with “IMHO” like Ovr 50 did.

The Americans entered other people’s conflict when it was necessary….they were kind of busy in the South Pacific battling the Japanese… were they not?

I’m no hypocrite and I enjoy my standard of living. I support American foreign policy to secure this standard of living. I will not sit back in my comfy couch and criticize the people who make this happen. Without this Police state the world would be a mess.

safristi · « **Reply #84 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:15:11 am »

Buncha POST-WARS...!!!!!!

Fab · « **Reply #85 on:** August 08, 2005, 03:47:59 pm »

Snowman I am not anti-american I just disagree strongly with the US foreign policy of the past century, same way has I disapprove of France past colonialism.
No one should support a governement blindly, it's because of such blind faith that people like Hitler got into power.

Having said that Gronholm won Rally Finland on his Peugeot 307, beating Loeb in his Xsara, followed by Martin on the other 307 and Solberg is 4th in his Impreza.

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A4_tom · « **Reply #86 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:02:59 pm »

This is the first Social Studies class that is not boring.

Snowman · « **Reply #87 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:16:53 pm »

Well…..the American voters could have punted GWB in the last election…..but they did not. It was the will of the majority to continue on despite of the consequences in the modern version of Vietnam.

French Colonialism…..who voted for that? Nobody voted for Hitler either.

froggy · « **Reply #88 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:24:31 pm »

Hitler was elected democratically in 1933... as head of the National Socialist Party (That's where the Nazi is from...)
As for GWB, one could argue he was not really elected in 2000... Even if his victory in 2004 is undeniable!

tpl · « **Reply #89 on:** August 08, 2005, 08:38:55 pm »

Skypoint, it was the British EMPIRE in those days...it became the commonwealth when the Americans made us give all those countries back...although after wwII we could not afford to plunder them any more anyway....and what does this have to do with Renault anyway.
In 1960 a school buddy of mine's father was posted to France for a couple of years. cames back with two Renault Dauphines, one in rust red and one in navy grey....probably the worst handling cars that were ever built...

The last one I drove was the Nevada (?) R21(?) station wagon on the renault lease plan in france in 1988...nice enough car but not exciting compared to an R5 turbo..the one with the engine in the back... they didn't lease those.

froggy · « **Reply #90 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:02:49 pm »

Behold the Renault 5 Alpine turbo 2:

This car was actually produced in order to enable Renault to particpate at te WCR (like the Ford Sierra Cosworth, oh man , what a car....)
The body kit on this on looks like it is original from the manufacturer

AVToller · « **Reply #91 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:09:01 pm »

Doesn't look exactly like my ex-wife's Renault 5.

Snowman · « **Reply #92 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:22:46 pm »

Hitler was elected democratically in 1933……man. I knew I should have paid attention in history class and not taken purple microdot every Monday morning in high school….no wonder I’m all messed up.

Thanks for Google:
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GER1933.htm

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Railton · « **Reply #93 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:24:14 pm »

...or my Wx-Wife's.
Railton

froggy · « **Reply #94 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:51:25 pm »

Very interesting website, Snowman.
During the defence of France nearly 2 million French soldiers were taken prisoner. An estimated 390,000 soldiers were killed defending France whereas around 35,000 German soldiers had lost their lives during the invasion.

I did not know those numbers! But IMO, it shows that the French soldiers were not as coward as many think, but that the rapid defeat was a consquence of the German military superiority (both tactic and material) and the blatant incompetency of the French Generals :

The French military had wrongly believed that the Ardennes was impassable to tanks.

Sorry (again

) for this paranthesis but I find these numbers incredible!

ovr50 · « **Reply #95 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:57:24 pm »

I don't know if you are aware, Froggy, that within Canada, during both WW1 & 2 the French in Quebec actively boycotted joining the Canadian forces? Conscription was despised and circumvented in Quebec at those times. No wonder the English and other immigrants to Canada who did join up had bad feelings over the French in Quebec.

froggy · « **Reply #96 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:18:50 pm »

No I did not know that, Why did they do that?
Actually, This next one is somehow car related and I got it from Snowy's (excellent)linked website:

Talking about Hitler:

While in Landsberg he read a lot of books. Most of these dealt with German history and political philosophy. Later he was to describe his spell in prison as a "free education at the state's expense." One writer who influenced Hitler while in prison was Henry Ford, the American car-manufacturer. Hitler read Ford's autobiography, My Life and Work, and a book of his called The International Jew. In the latter Ford claimed that there was a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world. Hitler also approved of Ford's hostile views towards communism and trade unions.

Scary...

A4_tom · « **Reply #97 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:19:05 pm »

I didn't expect to take the evening Social Studies class tonight.

froggy · « **Reply #98 on:** August 08, 2005, 10:28:50 pm »

Specially brought to you by professor Froggy and Ovr50... (And for MDX, I am not that old, I am 28!)
Assignment for tomorrow: 500 words essay on how the issue of WW2 would have been different if the Daimler-Benz powered Panzers had been prepared by AMG.

skypoint · « **Reply #99 on:** August 09, 2005, 12:02:56 am »

Wrong Tpl. The same 1931 Statute of Westminster that gave Canada independence replaced the British Empire with the British Commonwealth, consisting of the Britain and its colonies, as well as the Dominions of Canada, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and Newfoundland. By 1934 Newfoundland had reverted to being a British colony.

This meant that Commonwealth forces fought the war under one command (apart from the Aussies And New Zealanders, who set up their own commands when their homelands were under threat of invasion). Not Empire forces.

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