Author Topic: Chemical Oil Spray (Read 4768 times)

susan_t · « **on:** July 12, 2005, 10:04:07 pm »

Hi guys,

Did you all miss me??? Yeah, I thought so!! Anyways, I have a question for you guys. I wanted your opinion on oil spraying your car. I understand there are 2 types out there. There is the one that drips and other bodyshop offers a dripless one, because the chemical is thicker. The thicker chemical oil will not get dried up by road dust or washed off on rainy days.
What are your thoughts on which type of rust proofing is better. And have anyone experienced the thicker dripless chemical spray.

Thanks

barrie1 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2005, 12:36:24 am »

As this is a used car Susan I would suggest useing the drippy one as it will penetrate into the car further just by being able to run easier thru the panels. You will have to find a safe place to park the car over night as it will drip for a while. Most Folks don't want it on their driveway so look for safer alternative places please. PS Welcome Back.

susan_t · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2005, 01:55:55 am »

Hi Barrie!

Yes, it's used car Susan!! haha. What disadvantages would I have by getting the thicker chemical oil? This place puts a thin chemical oil sprayed inside all the panels. The bottom side of my car is sprayed with a much thicker chemical oil so that it will not get dried up by road dust. or washed off on rainy days. I don't have a safer alternative place to park my car :-(

Thanks for welcoming me back. I know you missed me alot!! :-)

articsteve · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2005, 10:36:45 am »

There is the one that drips and other bodyshop offers a dripless one,

Hello Susan. Is this for one of your Integras?

The dripless one is total BS particularily for an older car like Barrie says. I sincerely hope that the autobody that recommends the dripless product are not the same dudes that worked on your Integra. Of all folks, autobody people KNOW that the dripless stuff is a rip, but they do not have access to the stuff that does drip so they flog the gooey crap like all the new car dealers do.

Go to a KROWN DEALER. There is an excellent old couple that were the original Rust Check people in Scarbornio but now with Krown. Markham and Lawrence or Markham and Eglinton, can't remember off hand. Southeast coner behind a plaza. They are Ukranian or Polish. They live in Leaside. Quick phone call will find them.

The stuff drips for days. It washes off and does not stain permanently. Or put plastic down.

21Rouge · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:44:14 am »

"Go to a KROWN DEALER. There is an excellent old couple that were the original Rust Check people in Scarbornio but now with Krown. Markham and Lawrence or Markham and Eglinton, can't remember off hand. Southeast coner behind a plaza."

Susan after tons of reading and surfing I think I made an informed decision selecting Krown for my new car. I had two independent people recommend this particular Krown in Scarborough (one being Articsteve). This Krown is located on the southeast corner of Markham Road and Lawrence in Scarborough. You enter off of Lawrence.

susan_t · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:45:55 am »

Hi Steve, Yes, this is for my Integra! :-)

I didn't know it was BS. The bodyshop that I took my car to get the rust and repaint done, offers 2 oil sprays. The drippy one and the dripless one. He said it's up to me. He just offered the dripless one if I don't want to make a total mess on my driveway. But if I want the drippy one, then that's my choice. Part of getting my work done at this bodyshop is, they offer free oil spray every year for as long as I own the car. So, this is why I won't take it to Crown Rust Control because it's saving me just over $100/yr.

So, what do you think now?

articsteve · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2005, 12:27:56 pm »

So, what do you think now?

Same as before. You have just spent X number of dollars on repairing rust that has penetrated parts of your Integra deep to the core. It's similar to cancer because it re-occurs in the same spots. Anybody associated with the car business knows that the dripless stuff will penetrate nowhere so why was it offered; so your driveway wouldn't get messed up? Why would this guy even give you an option? I very much doubt that they have an agent that will creep like Krown and to some extent Rust Check. They are simply not been honest with you or they would never have suggested the dripless one no matter what your parking situation.

Nothing is for free. The free spray for life is the same BS that the dealers offer. The brand dealers that I have an association with bring the cars in for the annual "respray" only if the customer insists or reminds them. Very often the car isn't even put up on the hoist. The kid gives a little shot of the stuff here and there so the customer sees something and is satisfied.

These autobody guys of yours should not be trying to close their sales with offers of free "rust control sprays". Decent autobody guys do their thing and let others like Krown do the oil spraying.

I think Krown with tax is approaching $140. or better. I don't know because I don't pay retail or tax or even bother looking because I just stand in the bay and chat and get soaked in the stuff.

It makes no difference to me of course, but if you want to keep the rust from reoccuring as long as possible you will need at least one Krown treatment sooner than later.

susan_t · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2005, 01:01:29 pm »

This bodyshop is part of the APA and has been in business for over 32 yrs. So, I think if he was doing hack jobs or ripping people off, he would've been reported to the APA and they would have be taken off of their list and some recourse can be taken. They fixed the rusted area properly and told me as long as I take my car in for the oil spray every year, it will not return.
I know Krown is really good too. I guess because he's been in the business for so long, that he decided to expand on their services. They do get alot of customers coming in for the oil spray and offer a lifetime warrany on rust for new cars. So, I do my research, ask alot of questions before I chose this bodyshop. I've seen pictures of some of the cars he worked on and they look like in showroom condition.

So, I know this is all up to me. I just wanted to confirm whether to go with drippy or dripless. My brother questioned about the dripless one, so I'm glad I asked you guys.

slybry · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2005, 01:45:21 pm »

Even the non-dripless applications do not drip forever. Crown and Rust-Check chemicals applications only drip heavyily for about 3 days and a little bit for about a week. After that it is clear sailing.

This spraying has been very very effective on my cars.

Despite my belief in Known and Rust Check I would consider the following. Is your body shop applying oil/chemical application by drilling holes and using extensions to get inside doors and panels (method used in Known applications)? The method of applying is as important as the product. If they are set up properly and do proper and complete application I would go for their free offer vs spending $100 plus elsewhere every year.

This is not a dealer trying to sell you a $500 treatment. It is a free offer made to ensure his work holds up.

susan_t · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2005, 04:32:38 pm »

I have seen that guy from Crown on Autotalk and many callers would complain about the oil left on their windowns when they use it. He simply just said bring it back to Crown and have them clean it up. So, I do know Crown is good because they do stand by their products.
The bodyshop will drill the neccessary holes. I showed him my old car and asked if it was too late to rust proof my car. He said no. He took a look at the panels and told me they would need to drill certain areas. He was surprised that those area were never drilled. So, he knows what he's doing. Yeah, I rather take the free offer every year as oppose to pay for it myself. I just wanted to know if the non-dripless method had any advantages other than not making a mess. But from the sounds of it, everyone says to go for the drippy one.

Craig · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2005, 04:57:19 pm »

I took my 6-year-old EL to Krown for it's first application recently. I had the tech put it on the hoist first, and took a good look around. No rust yet, so, spray. There's no Krown warranty for such an old car, but I'm not interested in one. I just want to delay the rust a few more years. I've seen these cars look great for 6 or 8 years, then strart rusting at the bottom of the door panels and behind the wheels.

Yes, it drips for a couple of days. Yes, you have to deal with a sweet, oily smell during that period. Yes, you'll have some oil leak out onto windows and the paint. So what? Wash your car.

By all accounts, Krown has the best product on the market. But since the body shop is giving you yearly applications for free, I'd be inclined to take them up on the offer.

Personally, I'll probably Krown the EL every other year until I sell it. In between, I have a spray bottle of the stuff I can apply to problem areas.

articsteve · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2005, 05:11:41 pm »

This bodyshop is part of the APA and has been in business for over 32 yrs.

So are you saying this bodyshop has been on the APA list for 32 years or has existed for 32 years. Krown/Rust Check type oil sprays have only very recently been available in the wholesale market (2 years maybe) to independants.

Krown's inside the panel spray is very fluid, more so than Rust Check. That is the effective part of the treatment. How well it creeps.

Even the non-dripless applications do not drip forever. Crown and Rust-Check chemicals applications only drip heavyily for about 3 days and a little bit for about a week. After that it is clear sailing.

The Krown will actually leach out for a year. Instead of dripping on the ground it will leach up from the bottom of the doors and out the key holes. Depends on how much is installed. Not all Krown dealers are equal. Some dealers hold back on the spray to increase profit. The hotter it is the more the stuff spreads. Many people don't like the leaching and it fouls up wash mits. We use two. One for the rockers and wheels and one for the rest of the car.

So, I think if he was doing hack jobs or ripping people off, he would've been reported to the APA and they would have be taken off of their list and some recourse can be taken

Maybe on the autobody end of it but not on the oil spray because it is impossible to blame bad autobody work on oil spray.

I've seen pictures of some of the cars he worked on and they look like in showroom condition.

Susan, they all look great when they are redone. Unless a car is sandblasted the rust will return if it is core rust like what happens inside Honda wheel areas.

It is a free offer made to ensure his work holds up.

That's an interesting point. This place can cut time on the rust prep by keeping the internals soaked in moisture repelling oil. If the customer fails to come back and the rust comes back (which it always does) then the autobody says it was customer neglect. That's an interesting approach. However the dripless would not be effective so I really question why you were offered both since these guys know that the sticky dripless is useless.

AVToller · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2005, 06:50:01 pm »

Yet another reason I'm glad to live on Vancouver Island. Rust proofing? What the hell is rust proofing?

articsteve · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2005, 07:38:08 pm »

I hear ya!

susan_t · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2005, 11:59:44 pm »

Hey Steve,

No, the owner has been in the industry for over 32 yrs. They are part of the APA approved garages and bodyshops. The APA recommends a number of bodyshops and garages for certain things and one of them is rustproofing. So, this bodyshop advertises that they guarantee your brand new car will be rust free as long as you rust proof it there, then they have to back that up. Now in my case it's different. However, they sandblasted and welded the rusted area and put new metal where the rust was. So, what he told me was that, as long as I bring my car to his bodyshop for the oil spray every year the rust will not come back. Trust me, when it's free, I will remember to bring my car in.

articsteve · « **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2005, 01:14:44 am »

That is fine then but I am skepical that they actually sand blasted the car. Did you see them do it?

APA ONLY endorses Krown for rust control.

susan_t · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2005, 01:45:32 am »

Yes, I have pictures of my car in that state.

I know the APA only endorses Krown for rust control. But they do recommned this bodyshop for the great work that they do, which includes the oil spray that brings them alot of business.

initial_D · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2005, 02:26:01 am »

So the Integra Girl now is all shiny and dripping in oil .....

No H2O · « **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:31:33 am »

We did some testing of a few brands of rustproofing here at work in our labs.

The Krown came out on top.

Get them to use the T40 on the underside of the car. It is a bit thicker, but still creeps extremely well. T40 is the brown or honey coloured stuff.

If you want, you can use the T32 (red stuff) for the interior panels. It is a bit thinner and therefore I would not use it for the underside of the vehicle.

I use T40 on my car, both inside and out. I don't drill holes (you hardly have to, considering how many rubber access hole plugs the manufacturer uses - I also remove my interior panels).

No H2O · « **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2005, 09:34:22 am »

By the way, so what if it drips. After rustproofing, park at a mall and go shopping for a few hours.

If it drips, chances are it flows, although it doesn't necessarily mean that it creeps and displaces water.