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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2005, 05:33:02 pm »
But at $9995, I don't think they are making a profit so it is LIKE giving them away...I am sure you know what Shnak meant.

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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2005, 05:43:51 pm »
they might be selling neons at this price range coz the car is in the end of its life cycle...
a new one (and totally different) will be between us soon...i hope the style will be à la 300

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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2005, 06:41:02 pm »
The Caliber looks to be a radical departure of Neon/SX 2.0 with bold styling and new chassis.

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2005, 12:25:46 am »
Winston I doubt they are selling any cars at a loss as why are the shareholders getting $2.00 a share profit. Remember the more you build the cheaper they become to produce. They are greatly reduced in price but not at a loss. They are a very good buy for the money as we have many owners on this Forum and the majority of them have had a positive ownership experience with them. He needed to know this time it was me so I don't get blamed like he has done in the past.

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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2005, 12:48:40 am »
GM makes no money selling cars these days (2005 so far), their profits come from their financing arms and other operations.

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« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2005, 01:40:53 am »
"GM lost $1.1 billion the first quarter mainly on its chief business, North American automotive operations. Its share of the U.S. new vehicle market has slipped to just 25.6% this year, from 27.3% a year ago. Sales are off 4.9%, despite GM's industry-leading incentives, averaging $3,910 per vehicle, according to industry tracker Autodata. GM's declines are against a backdrop of a new vehicle market up 1.2%, according to Autodata."

Above from an investment article about GM. In the short run, GM can still pay the dividend from cash reserves even if they are losing money on their "normal" operations, that is, building and selling vehicles. In the longer term, tho, GM operations have to return to profitibility or the dividend has to be cut (that's already being discussed by GM board).  

The point of this is that Barrie's comment above that: "I doubt they are selling any cars at a loss as why are the shareholders getting $2.00 a share profit. Remember the more you build the cheaper they become to produce. They are greatly reduced in price but not at a loss." is not correct. GM is, in fact, operating at a loss and still paying the dividend. The issue is that situation CANNOT continue. Cutting the dividend would be a serious blow to GMs share price and investor confidence; but may have to be done to both conserve cash and help convince the unions they are serious about getting a benefit/pension break from them.  

Not a nice position for GM to be in today. See also today's Globe&Mail article on Toyota.

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« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2005, 05:05:38 pm »
$9999.00?  The Hyundai Accents are on sale here in Montreal for $11,995 and that is a cash purchase.  Besides, my keyboard has plenty of Accents and it only cost $39.00

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« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2005, 08:02:19 pm »
GM is losing US$1500 per vehicle to health care.

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« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2005, 08:17:59 pm »
A4 - that's true - the figure is between $1500 and $2000 US per vehicle for health and pensions. That's one of issues for discussion with the unions, who have already indicated they "might" be willing to talk about the years after 2007 (but not before).

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« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2005, 10:13:00 pm »
It will be interesting to see what happens in the US as thats where they have to cut the fat from. Between the Canadian dollar and the cost of their payments to healthcare and pensions Canada is in a much better position for the future I believe. Even the quality of the vehicles built in this country is very highly rated.

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« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2005, 11:03:47 pm »
You sound like Jim Kenzie in last week's interview with CBC at a program about GM.

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« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2005, 11:29:34 pm »
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0506/19/A01-218941.htm

The above is a good article from the Detroit News on the UAW and the health care issue at GM.

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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:28 pm »
People tend to steal Accents, old Camrys, 1990 Accords..... etc for parts.

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2005, 11:18:22 pm »
Health care is the first step.  All of these pensions are underfunded.  It seems unconscionable that the company has shirked there pension obligations for so long.  That should be illegal...