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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2005, 12:17:36 pm »
Sorry, Jscc - I should have added a smiley.  I always imagined my old Audi using that voice, much like Arnold Schwarzenegger's (even though he's Austrian).  It didn't have any cupholders.  

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2005, 02:04:01 pm »
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2005, 10:25:55 pm »
I have never put in anything less than 91 in my Jetta except one occasion, when the Shell station ran out of Gold. I settled with silver and the difference was obvious.

I have never tried Sunogo 94. My regular brands are Esso and Petro Can. I have a feeling that the 1.8 T doesn't like Shell Gold. It appears to be slightly less powerful, slightly worse mileage and makes the gas gauge fluctuate.

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« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2005, 02:13:33 am »
I am going to try to be a gear head here.  

I beleive you need higher octane in a turbo engine because the fuel is under higehr pressure. To prevent pre-ignition, additves are put in to prevent that.

I think that when you drive in winter (when it is colder) pre-ignition is less likely, so it may be safe to sue a lower octane fuel.

Also, if you drive more like my grandma, (ie low rpm's) it also is safe.

But Saffy's post is correct.  How much $$$ are you really saving?

Plus don't you want to have some fun with your turbo engine??
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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2005, 06:37:36 am »
Octane rating is a measure of a fuels resistance to pre-ignition( detonation or, if you like, making like a diesel)  

Regular Otto cycle gasoline engines are not built to be diesels, they are built to burn a gas/air mixture not explode it.  The knock sensors in engines "listen" for a particular set of sounds and then retard the ignition ( detune the engine) until these sounds go away... then they allow some ignition advance until it comes back and so on. So as Artic has pointed out ( very patiently, many times in many threads) if the knock sensors are doing their job with fuels of too low a grade the piston tops are being continually pounded by detonation... in the short term most modern engines will survive this but it will not help the life of pistons, rings, rod bearings etc.

In the specific case of forced induction engines, instead of the mixture being sucked into the engine it is being blown into he engine and some proportion of the engines compression stroke is already done....so the mixture is closer to detonation anyay... its usually hotter as well intercooler not withstanding.

So you need fuel with a higher anti-Knock index or octane rating.   One excellent additive is ethanol hence the preference around here for Sunoco 94 in turbo engines.  Lead compounds are another but no longer allowed  etcetera.

Low Rpms are not necessarily safe. The engines need for octane is highest at the torque peak which is just where granny's automatic transmission will run the engine under acceleration.



maybe we need a new forum section called:
"The same old questions discussion"

it could cover regular gas, oil changes and syn oil, the desirability of winter tires and ( sorry Barrie) the inevitability of putting a small block in every road vehicle on the planet.
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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2005, 08:49:31 am »
TPL...some forums add a "sticky" to certain threads.  It keeps them available at the top so people can more easily see them, and not ask the same questions again and again.

Not sure if that is possible here since I have never seen one "sticky".

By the way, your answer was excellent.  Lerned me somethin'.