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« on: June 08, 2005, 04:01:57 pm »
According to the Hamilton Spectator, speeders should be ranked up there on the public-hate-scale with drunk drivers.

The Spec has published a "Special" this past week on speeding.  It angered me so much how they skewed the stats (or at least made the stats work ONLY in their favour) that I nearly choked on my Shreddies.  
 
For those who haven't seen it, the basic gyst is this:  Speeding is a dangerous epidemic around the Hamilton-Halton-Niagara QEW area.  The police have nearly lost all control over policing this section of highway and we're all destined to be doomed to painful, firey deaths if we continue to travel it... based solely on the evil, irresponsible speeders.  
 
This massive "Feature" in last Saturday's and Monday's paper is so ridiculously one-sided and narrow-minded that at one point, they actually proposed a suggestion of creating PR campaigns to place speeders in the same evil-doing group as those who drink and drive.  There is virtually no mention of the greater concern of aggressive or careless driving and certainly no consideration for the fact that the speed limits are grossly outdated for the capabilities of modern cars.  
 
And of course, already this morning, the mindless sheep and vastly-too-old were already jumping on the ol' bandwagon of:  "why do makers even build cars that can go over 100 km / h if it's against the law to do so?  They should all have restrictors at a maximum of 100 km/h..."  

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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2005, 04:02:58 pm »
From June 4th Spec:

It's fast and furious on the QEW and police are losing their grip
By Fred Vallance-Jones
The Hamilton Spectator
(Jun 4, 2005)  
The QEW between Hamilton and Toronto is one of the most hazardous stretches of road in Ontario.

Speed and aggressive driving are crucial factors in many accidents on the highway, one that local commuters take every day. Yet, police are less able to crack down on speeders here than on safer highways.

Consider the facts:

* Traffic keeps getting worse, from 126,000 cars a day at Bronte Road in 1998 to 152,000 in 2002, the last year for which official figures are available.

On April 29, almost 182,000 cars travelled that spot.

* The QEW in east Hamilton and Oakville is like a speedway, with vehicles routinely cruising at more than 120 km/h.

* Accident rates on the QEW between Hamilton and Toronto are the second highest on any major section of highway in Ontario, topped only by the frantic 401 across the top of Toronto. In 2001, there were 190 accidents that caused death or injury. By 2004, that had jumped to 299.

* About two-thirds of all accidents that caused injury or death involved excessive speed, loss of control or tailgating.

* Accidents peak in the late afternoon, just as the police day shift is pulling off the road to do paperwork.

* The police write far fewer speeding tickets on the Hamilton-Toronto route than on the quieter Niagara stretch of the road. And they write many of them when the highway is quiet.

While the QEW is no demolition derby, the picture is one of lighter enforcement than you might expect.

Why? It can be hazardous work. Speed enforcement is by officers in cruisers. High speeds, narrow shoulders and congested highways create dangerous working conditions.

"It isn't difficult to find a speeder or someone not wearing their seatbelt or (committing other offences)," said recently retired Burlington OPP commander Bob Weekes. "It is difficult sometimes to find a safe area to stop that person where you don't feel that your own life is in jeopardy."

At least four OPP officers have died in the last decade while parked beside highways, two on the QEW. And police don't want to put the public at risk. The highway may slow to a crawl for a few hours during the morning and afternoon rush hours, but the rest of the day it's a speedway. That creates a hazardous combination of top speed and too many cars.

"You'll hear our people talk about the sense that the OPP have lost control of the highways," said Chief Superintendent Bill Grodzinski, who heads the OPP traffic section. "Do I agree we have lost control? I don't think we have totally lost control."

Tens of thousands of motorists flout the law every day, effectively setting their own speed limits.

The Spectator obtained data from the Ministry of Transportation on QEW speeds in east Hamilton and Oakville. It's like a racetrack, with the speed of vehicles routinely exceeding more than 120 km/h, especially during the evening, overnight and on the weekend. Daytime speeds are 5 to 10 km/h lower.

But the peaks can be startling. Early on April 14, two vehicles roared past a monitoring station near Bronte Road at an average of 188 km/h.

Even on March 1, when it snowed all day and the roads ranged from wet to snow-covered, average speeds were often only 10 km/h lower than in dry weather and hit near 120 km/h at times.

A Spectator analysis of OPP tickets provides an unprecedented look at enforcement.

Fewer people get speeding tickets along the stretch from Hamilton to Toronto. From Jan. 1, 2001 to Sept. 30, 2003, police ticketed 2,900 vehicles. Compare that to the similar-length section from Jordan Station to Burlington, where police handed out 9,500 tickets.

Your chances of getting ticketed along the QEW to Niagara were 23 times higher than on the Toronto-bound lanes. One car in 6,500 was tagged from Hamilton to Niagara. It was one in 150,000 going the other way based on average traffic volumes.

And if you like those odds, have a look at Highway 403 from Burlington to the Linc. Police ticketed about one in 500,000 vehicles. One in 23,344 were ticketed on the 403 between the Linc and Brantford; one in 27,225 from Brantford to Woodstock.

Even those numbers don't tell the whole story. When police are tracking down speeders on the QEW, they do it most often in the later evening and early morning. That's when speeds are highest, but there are fewer cars on the road.

Research suggests enforcement slows drivers down, but the effect is confined to an area near where police are seen. If police want to reduce collisions, it follows that they need to be near where collisions happen.

Inspector Norm Gaumont heads traffic enforcement for the RCMP in British Columbia. He says targeting trouble spots is vital. "Even if you identify a corridor and say this is an area where we have a lot of speeding that's causing trouble, if you are in there at the wrong time, you will totally miss the boat," said Gaumont, who has designed a computer system to better target ticketing.

The OPP isn't ignoring its problem roads. Speed is a problem in some areas. Staffing is a problem everywhere. On one shift last month, the Burlington detachment had only seven cars patrolling about 150 kilometres of highway.

Keeping officers on the road is a challenge. Many spend good chunks of their days in court, testifying against lead-footed drivers fighting tickets that could cost them demerit points and hundreds of dollars. That's something the OPP's head of traffic, Bill Grodzinksi, is anxious to change. He's just finished work on a confidential report on how to beef up enforcement on highways.

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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2005, 04:05:08 pm »
Speed Kills
Police say it's the single most common factor in accidents; Speed: Part 2 of 3
By Fred Vallance-Jones
The Hamilton Spectator
(Jun 6, 2005)  
Nine hundred people die on Ontario roads every year. On the QEW alone in 2004, 811 were injured and nine killed.

And speed plays a role in a disturbing number of those accidents.

About two-thirds of all accidents resulting in injury and death involved excessive speed, loss of control or tailgating.

Engineering advances such as crush zones, airbags, and antilock brakes have made today's vehicles the safest ever, but the human body hasn't kept pace.

No matter how well protected, we're not built to withstand the forces in a high speed crash.

"Many people just do not understand how strong those forces are," said Raynald Marchand, manager of traffic safety and training with the Canada Safety Council.

"At 100 km/h, you essentially have the force as if you fell off a 10-storey building." And that's at the speed limit.

Crash at 115 and the force is one-third higher. Double at 140 km/h.

"Unless you've seen a crash at 130 to 140, I don't think the average member of the public has any significant idea of what is involved," said Bob Weekes, who recently retired as commander of the OPP Burlington detachment.

It's all about physics.

Unless something like an air bag intervenes, you keep going at the same speed and in the same direction as your car was going before the crash.

If you don't have a seatbelt on, you may be ejected.

"In car crashes we (mostly) see head and chest and belly injuries, although we have seen a definite improvement in that with the increased use of air bags and seatbelts," said Dr. Frank Baillie, head of the trauma program at Hamilton General Hospital.

It was Baillie's unit that fought to save Karan Hobley's life.

It's the main trauma unit for a wide area stretching from Niagara through Brantford.

Even after your body stops moving, your internal organs keep going until they hit the inside of your body.

Your brain may slam into the front of your skull, then rebound and strike the back.

"The brain controls all of your physiologic activities and when you traumatize the brain and the head that results in the most severe losses," said Dr. John Fernandes, a forensic pathologist at the General Hospital in Hamilton.

Fernandes sees the patients that Baillie can't save.

He knows death and all its causes.

He shakes his head when he sees a young person die senselessly in a traffic crash.

And Baillie says much of the death and injury is preventable.

"It's the judgment about when you should drive and when you shouldn't and then, of course, how you should drive -- carefully and not too fast and so on and so forth," Baillie said.

"The reality is one little error of judgment and people can be in big trouble and either we're seeing them or the coroner is seeing them."

Police say speed is the single most common contributor to accidents.

Reduce speed and you reduce death and injury.

Many researchers agree.

In Australia, University of Adelaide professor Jack McLean found that the chance of having an accident resulting in injuries doubles when drivers accelerate 10 km/h above the average speed of traffic.

It grows by 500 per cent at 20 kilometres above the average.

If traffic is moving at 100 and you're driving at 120, you're five times more likely to have an accident.

Researchers at the Land Transport Safety Authority in New Zealand looked at what happened in American states that raised maximum speeds on rural interstates to 70 and 75 miles per hour (112 to 120 km/h).

They found that fatalities were 35 and 38 per cent higher respectively, compared to states that did not raise their speed limits.

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2005, 04:06:33 pm »
Speeders should be demonized, say experts
By Peter Van Harten
The Hamilton Spectator
(Jun 7, 2005)  
Speeders should be treated like "drunk drivers" and the "evil" motorists they are if we hope to end the carnage on our highways and streets.

That's the message going to traffic engineers, enforcement officers and industry experts now meeting in Burlington for the Ontario Traffic Conference.

We need to change society's attitudes and make speeding a serious crime and a public safety issue.

Since Sunday night they have been grappling with issues such as road design, posted speed limits, photo radar, enforcement and penalties and the successes of other countries in controlling speed hogs.

Gerry Forbes, president of Intus Road Safety Engineering, told delegates Scandinavian countries, Australia and the U.K take seriously the accidents and fatalities caused by speeders.

Australia has tough advertising campaigns similar to our anti-smoking and drunk driving ads. As a result only one in 10 persons now think it's all right to go 10 kilometres over the limit; it used to be one in four.

But in fast-paced Ontario, speed is learned behaviour and "seen as a good thing" that's rewarded.

We save time by driving fast and we hardly ever get a ticket; car sales commercials promote speed and video games challenge us to outrun the cops; we've abandoned postal service and love e-mail and we don't regard speeding on the roads as pollution and a quality-of-life issue.

Getting politicians to change the public's attitude to speeding through aggressive education campaigns and effective enforcement is a must.

A possible hurdle is the fact that Ontario Minister of Public Safety Monte Kwinter, Oakville MP Kevin Flynn, Halton Chair Joyce Savoline and Burlington Mayor Rob MacIsaac all said traffic was the No. 1 problem they heard about from the public. But none of them stayed beyond their opening remarks to hear the frustrations of delegates, said Forbes.

Those frustrations voiced by various speakers included:

* The legislative and judicial resistance to reinstituting photo radar in Ontario.

* Designing roads safely for a certain speed but seeing politicians post them at an unrealistic 20 kilometres lower and motorists ignoring the limits as a result.

* Stricter penalties for speeding without the increased and ongoing enforcement to make them an effective deterrent.

Municipal officials were urged to promote photo radar in their communities. A fine of $25 imposed in 1903 should be $450 dollars today, delegates heard, but it is not.

In Finland, speeding fines are linked to income and that's resulted in a fine of $165,000 for a rich executive.

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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2005, 04:06:45 pm »
* Traffic keeps getting worse, from 126,000 cars a day at Bronte Road in 1998 to 152,000 in 2002, the last year for which official figures are available.  

On April 29, almost 182,000 cars travelled that spot.  


Solution:  Build up instead of out and abolish suburbs. (just kidding)

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2005, 04:06:48 pm »
Agree with you Jeff, except for the Renault comment, but that's my french blood speaking...

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2005, 04:08:10 pm »
There, I'll leave y'all with that pile for now.  There are a few other articles in the big on-going saga with more doctors, police officers and other 'experts' all contributing to the "Let's all Drive at 100 km /h" mantra.

What do you think?

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2005, 04:10:42 pm »
Froggy, I edited out my ageism, ill-will-towards-the-Yukon and disparaging Renault remark just for you.  :-)

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2005, 04:14:29 pm »
They should look at the number of fatalities in Germany and compare... What a load of BS!!
Maybe if the roads were in better condition...
And I liked the comment:  
It grows by 500 per cent at 20 kilometres above the average.

Set the average at 120 or 130 km/h and there will be less accidents...

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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2005, 04:15:12 pm »
Thanks Jeff!!!

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2005, 04:37:13 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2005, 04:41:49 pm »
Meh, you'll get used to that from the Spec. About once every two weeks or so I contemplate cancelling my subscription to it because they p me off. They seem to pride themselves on their 'special reports' that "expose" all these inside details on things such as 'Drive Clean' and some recent high-profile criminal cases. Unfortunately they have won some awards recently so they keep on going.  

Telling the entire story isn't necessarily one of their strong points. Most important to them is selling papers and dealing with the $hitstorm they cause is everyone else's problem.  

If they get rid of those morons **** ****** and ***** ********** (currently on maternity leave I heard) the paper will improve tremendously. Neither of them let the facts get in the way of a good column.

Like I say, you'll get used to it.


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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2005, 04:42:08 pm »
Snowman, why do you keep posting that Photo-chopped image of someone else's Subaru?  :-)

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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2005, 04:43:43 pm »
Speed HAS to be a factor in 100% of crashes.  It's physics.  If we're all stopped, no crash.

Tailgating is the biggest problem, and NO ONE ever gets a ticket for it.  Start handing out follow-too-close tickets by the mitt-full (and make it a $250 or higher offence) people might start to get the message.  And if you rear-end someone, make it a dangerous driving offence and automatic suspension.

Okay, that might begin to influence driving behaviour, but we need to re-engineer our roads.  We have urbanized at break-neck speed and our roads and related infrastructure has fallen miles behind.  Canada is urban-sprawl hell and population density is so low it's ridiculous.  It's making for longer commutes and frustrated drivers that spend hours a day in their cars.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2005, 04:46:08 pm »
Ha-ha…..has Wiffy to be got the ball and chain from the foundry yet?....or the new Mini-van.

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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2005, 04:47:27 pm »
Good suggestions John.  I really believe the "speed trap" time / effort is better spent patrolling and ticketing left-lane bandits too.  No matter how fast you're going, if you're not passing someone, get over to the right.  It's not a difficult concept people!  And it'll help reduce the Demons who need to speed from ziggin' and zaggin' all over the place to get around.

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2005, 06:52:44 pm »
Speed does kill, but speed is definitely not the sole major factors for accidents. Although it's illegal, you can still drive at 150 in a very safe fashion. You need 1) good driving/observing skills. 2) competent vehicles. I drive on the Tor-Ham corridor every week. While I am crusing comfortably at 120, I don't mind you passing me on the left if you can do it in a safe fashion. However, look at those morons who is hoarding the left lane at 150 with their beat up 1988 Civic coupe. No offense here, but there's rust all over and possibly with bald tires and worn out brakes too. You know they are really walking on fine lines there.

when I was driving on A1 in Germany, I saw people driving their BMWs at 200 in a safe and polite fashion. There's no compromise in safety whatsoever there. I hate to admit that, but Europeans (at least Germans and Danishes) are better drivers than us.

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2005, 11:17:52 am »
Absolutely... it ain't the speed that's the biggest problem, it's too many North American drivers wearing their asses as a hat whilst driving.

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2005, 11:21:40 am »
You also have to take into consideration that if an accident happens in front of you, the stopping distance when going at 150 or 200kph is a lot longer than when driving at 100 or 120kph!!!

Can you imagine the number of rollovered SUVs you'd see on the side of the highways if we were allowed to drive 200kph? As soon as they move their steering wheen an inch, they'd found themselves wheels up in the ditch...

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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2005, 11:24:36 am »
Good point, Shnak... seeing a pile of soccer moms driving Freestars and Expeditions at anything over 110km/h is terrifying.  I drove a Caravan at close to 130 once and it scared me silly.  

Maybe specific licensing is the key.  Have a centre lane for people with special licenses.  If you car checks out and you can pass an advanced driver training course, you're allowed to use the left lane and drive up to 150 km/ h.