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« on: February 24, 2005, 03:33:53 pm »
I am considering dealling my 02 Mazda Tribute (has been a good vehicle but no longer meets my needs) on an '05 Jetta TDI wagon.  I am attracted to the great fuel economy of the diesel (I drive about 50/50 hwy/city driving, about 100km per day).
I am looking for opinions about this choice, as well as pricing--has anyone bought this vehicle?  What did you pay??

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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2005, 03:43:44 pm »
Doug - the first place for you to start is to read all the threads on here about VWs in general as they will probably cover the issues for you. A recent thread on the '06 Jetta is active now. A lot of what you're looking for has already been posted on threads here. I'm no VW guy so I can't add any more than this advice. And, welcome to the Forum.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2005, 03:44:46 pm »
Yes we can tell. Had you been lurking longer you would already know some of the answers but it's not too late.

Under search enter TDI and watch what comes up and you will find many discussions about Jetta's and TDI's.As far as the price goes you can pretty much assume at least a grand off list and maybe a little more.

To be precise though - list your option choices and then someone like EAX might come along and give you some exact numbers.

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2005, 03:46:25 pm »
Gee - they sure are fast on the response out west.
Must be raining?

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2005, 03:50:14 pm »
Hi Doug,
I'm a relative newcomer here, but as Ovr50 states, there already is a plethora for you to read. IMHO the Jetta is the cheapest german brand wagon you can get. Which gets you exactly that... most of the inherent problems with some German Auto manufacturers, and few of the benefits.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2005, 03:53:18 pm »
Inco - actually a glorious Spring day w about 9C and big blue skey - like always in the West, the Best. And I'm in the midst of a boring job for a client and so have numerous posting breaks to ease the tedium of it.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2005, 03:59:40 pm »
Seconds on the weather, it is great on the left coast.
I am looking for all the options--left knee problem means automatic definitely preferred.  I have grown accustomed to the sun roof on my Mazda and want to keep this feature also.  Side air bags "just in case"...

I have read up on the diesels pro/con on this board and others, so I think I know what I am getting into there.  I am interested in the Mazda 5 conversation because it may be an option for me also.

Thanks to those who have posted so far!
Cheers,

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2005, 04:16:06 pm »
I love my '04 Jetta TDI GLS w/ 5spd automatic transmission! I have the sunroof/alloys package, as well as the leather/steering wheel audio controls package.

If you live anywhere but B.C., I would recommend that you get the block heater as well as some diesel conditionner for winters. I got 6 x 150ml bottles for 8$ at a VW dealership. I only use a bottle when it gets in the low -20's for a few days... diesel doesn't freeze before -25ºC...

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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2005, 04:28:36 pm »
I work with two people with TDIs, one an '00 Golf GL TDI and the other an '02 Jetta GLS TDI. Both of them are very happy with the diesel engine and the way the cars have held up. Although diesel isn't my cup of tea, I had an '00 Jetta GLS VR6 for a couple of years and loved it.

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2005, 04:37:05 pm »
Just to mention, in 2004, VW updated their TDI engines and its really improved A LOT! I drove a few '02 and '03, and the new TDI really is quieter and has a lot more torque (155 vs. 177 I believe). Also worth noting is the 5spd automatic transmissions in the 2004+ Golf/Jetta vs. only a 4 speed in previous years.

So take that into consideration if ever someone tells you he doesn't like his pre-'04 TDI automatic...

EDIT: Another point is that the Jetta Wagon is made in Germany versus Mexico like most of the Jetta and Golf models. That's definitely a big plus in my opinion!

(Message edited by Shnak on February 24, 2005)

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2005, 05:21:18 pm »
Any German car tends to have little niggles here or there. It's part of the trade-off for the 'joy' of owning one. Personality usually makes up for it. I don't recommend them for outright solid reliability. I will, however, say that they perform very well, feel very solid (parts and feel while driving), do deliver remarkable fuel efficiency, has lots of room up front, the Wagon TDi holds it's value supremely well, and if you like those virtues then it's probably worth it.  

It is my own personal belief that German-built VWs are less prone to rattling than Mexican/Brazilian-built VWs. The Jetta Wagon is the only Jetta that's built in Germany, so that's on your side. I'd recommend driving the specific unit you'd like to check it out on a long test drive.  

The Wagon is quite nicely finished inside, and has those handy under-floor storage cubbies in the rear. Doesn't have lots of rear leg room, but if you have no or small kids it's more than fine.  

The high torque at low RRM diesel engine is well suited to the manual OR auto transmission. Typically with other 4-cylinders you have to revv the engine to develop much power, which also creates a lot of noise. Automatics usually shift-up before peak power can be achieved, thus making the car slower and less responsive. Either that, or they'll hold the gear causing excessive noise or downshift annoyingly every time you go to pass. With the TDi's torque, it's not ultra fast but you do have the FEELING as though there's lots of power there because it's always where you need it, when you need it. Very well suited to an automatic because peak power can be had well before the transmission upshifts. In the manual, it's super flexible to drive in any gear. Highway cruising is effortless and the car tracks true - car revs fairly low on the freeway too.

I don't find it too hard to find diesel fuel. Highway signs are usually marked 'diesel' or 'D', and in your neighbourhood I'm sure there's a few around town. The fuel can get stenchy if you touch it, but I don't find it really bad. It's 'different' though, that's for sure. But I don't have to visit the service station as often either.  

Since you live in B.C. winters should be milder, which will work to your benefit. Mine has never not started, but clearly would prefer warmer temps in winter. Diesels run cooler and it does not warm quickly in cold weather, and won't at all if left idling at -15dC or below - makes for fun while scraping the windows! Gotta love Canada!    

As I'm sure you're aware, the all-new Jetta is coming next month. Roll-out will take many months until we receive all 3 of the engines, the 3 transmissions, the bodystyles, etc. The new Jetta wagon won't be available for at LEAST 1.5 - 2 years. They haven't unveiled the car in Europe (or anywhere) yet, and usually there's a lag between when cars are unveiled there till they make it here. So, if you like the current Wagon I'd say go for 'er.  

I have 246K on my '01 Golf TDi manual and am very pleased with it. Seems to run smoother every day, but have noticed it a bit harder to start in Winter. Nothing major, but just hesitates ever so slightly or takes an extra second of cranking. Probably because I maintain mine less religiously, am at 15,5K without an oil change now - you need to run synthetic in the TDi's, which then enables you 16K between dealership visits - and the car is just getting a bit older and perhaps a part or two is warn.

In any case, if you like the car, are into the effiency, and notice how solid it feels I'd say it's for you.

The new Jetta sedan means there's deals to be had on the overstocked '05 sedans. The Wagon is not being replaced for a long time and therefore I would expect less freebies or reductions off MSRP. Also, the Euro-Cdn-US exchange rate prevents this from happening. However, as a whole VW could use more sales and I'm sure you could do very well off the MSRP. Perhaps $2Gs off... I dunno. Depends on whether you purchase or finance or... TDi's are harder to dicker on, but they're lookin' to move all they can.

Ask folks you see driving them what you think. Some VW dealers can be pretty pathetic, so get the general opinion of people you see. Let us know what your thoughts are and what you're looking at when you go out searchin', eh!
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2005, 10:08:53 pm »
Thanks for the great info--much appreciated.  If the version V wagon won't be here for another year or so, does that mean that the 05 Wagons are not being shipped to NA anymore?  Or are they still making (and shipping) from Germany while the new version gets into production?

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2005, 08:25:50 am »
When we were car shopping we also looked at the Jetta wagon. There were two main reasons we didn't go for it...

1) The rear seats were way too small for our liking, and

2) From what I have read, diesel engines do not warm up while idling. Where I live that means being out there at 4:45am and chipping the ice off the window and then getting into a cold car and having to drive to warm it up! No thanks!

However, if neither of these are a concern to you, ignore what I have just said.
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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2005, 08:37:11 am »
Do the TDIs still have a timing belt as opposed to a chain? I understand that the replacement of the belt is quite expensive in that engine...maybe enough to negate fuel savings for a few years. Something worth checking into.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2005, 08:41:57 am »
City, I have had my Golf TDI for all of this winter, and I didn't have problems with it... sure if there is condensation inside the windows, it might take a few minutes of cold air to have it disappear, but it certainly isn't any different than any other car. And with the heated seats, I don't really mind not having warm air coming out of the vents for the first 5-6 minutes of city driving. Mind you, if you jump onto a highway, it only takes 2-3 minutes and car is fully warmed up. It's just that the car doesn't warm up very quickly in city driving. I'm sure that won't even be of concern for someone living on the west coast though.

But yeah, the rear seats are small, nothing to be done about that. Although, I have to say that in a Mazda6, once the driver seat is adjusted to my size, the rear seats pretty much have the same space as my Jetta. It depends on the size of drivers though.

Doug, what Siraqua meant is that even though the new Jetta model is coming out in a few months, VW will not redesign their Jetta Wagon model for at least another 2 years meaning that the current Jetta Wagon is what VW will sell for the next 2-3 years.

Frankly, IMO, the ONLY reason to wait for a new generation Jetta at this point is to have more rear passenger space. The TDI engine will be exactly the same. I don't think VW has already announced the automatic transmission that will come with their TDI models, but their base engine will come with 6-speed auto, compared to a 5-speed auto right now. But the current one is already doing a great job.

Btw, before buying anything new from a VW dealership, look around in their used cars lot... you might find a stellar deal! The certified VW pre-owned vehicles come with an extra 2 years/40,000km, so if you can find a 2004-2005 model that interests you, go for it! Not sure if you'll be able to find a Jetta TDI Wagon auto though... those must be pretty rare used.

Good luck!

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2005, 10:36:19 am »
Libraman, it's still a timing belt which requires replacement. Most cars still have this set-up. The issue with the TDi's arose because back from 1997-8 up thru to 2002 or so the AUTOMATIC TDi's required a timing belt change (don't ask me why) every 40,000kms!!!!!!! So, that meant a cost of $500+ every 40K, which is obvsiouly unfavourable and unadvantageous. Today, the auto and manual TDi's have the same 96K or so timing belt change. The cost for timing belt replacement varies with all makes of cars depending on how accessible the belt is. I've seen less than the TDi and more. VW dealers recommend changing the water pump at the same time (because the part is relatively inexpensive and if it goes the labour to get to it is just as costly as the timing belt, so while they're at it...).

Both the issues City raised are true. The Jetta Wagon is built off a compact Golf platform, stretched at the rear. Therefore, the wheelbase is shorter, compromising rear legroom. VW had done a commendable job in maximizing space by scooping out the rears of the front seats for knee room, but it's still not as much as many other cars - not that there are many wagons at this price, and none that get this mileage. As I said, if you don't normally carry adults, or those over 5'10" back there it shouldn't be a problem. As for not warming, the engine does take a long time to warm in the city. The highway, not so much. The seat heaters help warm you, but a heated windshield should be an option in these cars going forward! In B.C's milder winter, I wouldn't worry about it.

Last I heard, Canada was working to secure German Jetta Wagon production through 2006. The wagon can run at about 20-25% of Jetta sales, so it's become a fairly important member of the family. The next Jetta Wagon is to be built in Mexico and exported to Europe, but this won't happen for awhile. Too long if you're thinkin' about a new car now.  

Shnak, TDi's will get the 6-spd DSG option - I heard it would be standard, but now people are saying that a manual could be standard with DSG optional - no Tiptronic. And I think it'll be very similar but with 105hp with 185lb-ft of torque. That's what I've seen from an authentic VWoA training document, but published reports still claim 100hp. Have to say the VW Certified-Pre-Owned deal is great with the extra 2yrs/40K slapped on top of the original warranty!

Also, thought of this yesterday but depending on your budget, need for room, and transmission choice, did you know or think about getting a Passat TDi Wagon? They're only available in automatic transmission, but have a larger 2.0L TDi with 134hp @ 4,000RPM but an astonishing 247lb-ft of torque at 1,900RPM but still deliver 50mpg on the highway. They accelerate faster than the Jetta TDi, are much more roomy and upscale, less common, and start at about $4Gs more with the auto - $33,560. Worth a look to address concerns about room if you have them and can afford it.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2005, 10:38:09 am »
I don't find it too hard to find diesel fuel. Highway signs are usually marked 'diesel' or 'D', and in your neighbourhood I'm sure there's a few around town. The fuel can get stenchy if you touch it, but I don't find it really bad.

Some people keep rubber work gloves in their car to wear when filling up with diesel.  Keeps your hands clean in case of a slight spill.  Sometimes the handle of the nozzle has some diesel residue on it already.

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2005, 11:41:05 am »
Rubber work gloves...should sell well to Proctologists...!!!!!!....hey handle of the nozzle there buddy...
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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2005, 01:12:44 pm »
This is a great board, thanks for all the sound advice and information.
A check of the local dealers' lot inventory for used models doesn't show any used 2004 TDI wagons--looks pretty rare in these parts.
If I understand correctly then the dealers will be taking delivery of '05 Jetta wagons for quite some time, so it shouldn't necessarily be a "rush" to make a deal right now.

Thanks again for the info.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2005, 02:39:16 pm »

Yep, the wagons will be around.

Even with the redesigned sedan, the current sedan will be around thru to the late summer/fall in various trims because the roll-out is happening one trim and engine line at a time.  

Deals on Jettas are pretty good right now though.  

Might be looked at in two ways: 1) Once the new models start, VW may be feeling less pressure to sell more of everything and incentives will fall for the slower selling wagon, or 2) They'll have to discount it more because it'll look dated next to the rest of the lineup. I'm thinking 1) tho - they'll simply import whatever demand warrants, especially with the currency the way it is.