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« on: February 23, 2005, 09:16:20 pm »
Hi ...  

I'm trying to decide which car to buy a Mazda3 GT sedan or a Civic LX-G sedan.  I've test driven both.  I prefer the way the Mazda3 drives but I'm worried about reliability and performance down the road.  With the LX-G, I know I'm getting a good car.

Any thoughts/advice?

Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2005, 11:20:47 pm »
Hello Marionette and welcome to the forum,

You seem to have found two fantastic cars and I'm sure you will be pleased with either one you purchase.

As far as reliability goes the Honda has a slight edge, but this should not throw you off from purchasing the Mazda. The 3 is in it's first generation and as such may suffer from some slight glitches. Common complaints have been( rear brakes, various transmission problems and air bag sensor malfunction) The latter has been fixed by Mazda I believe.  

These cars are not really identical in any respect. The Mazda performs better in every category with the exception of gas mileage. The 1.7 litre engine in the Civic compared to the 2.3 litre engine in the 3 will save you some money on gas.  

Price for the Civic is 19,990 for 5 speed and 21,100 with automatic. Meanwhile, the Mazda 3 GT starts at 21,445 with 5 speed and 22,445 with automatic.

My advice to you is the following; if you prefer the driving dynamics of the 3 compared to the Civic, I would opt for the Mazda. Concerns with reliability of the Mazda shouldn't scare you away from the car.  

Just my two cents,

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2005, 10:02:17 am »


I 2nd Juice Newton

Also, the new Civic will be coming out in Jan or so of '06, so your new Civic might appear dated soon. Some people might be let down by this, others not.
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2005, 11:16:25 am »
The Mazda 3 GT is going to be a more fun and satisfying car.  However, it's going to cost you up front, in gas and repairs.  The insurance will be more too.  It also has 17 inch tires and those are much more expensive to replace than the Civic.

Assuming you want auto, air, sunroof, the GT will cost you tax in $29,112. less your discount which is unknown.

The Honda is $25,524 tax in less your discount which is unknown.

Basically, the Mazda GT is $3600. more, but you are getting more car.  It will cost more to run each year, but that depends on your mileage.  The Honda will probably have less things go wrong with it.

So it really boils down to money.  Always does.

You could shave off a few dollars and get the Mazada 3 GS, but sunroof is unavialable.  That would then cost you $26,812 less your discount which is unknown.  You are now only $1,300 difference from the Honda.

The finance rates are the same for 60 months @3.9

Like Juice mentioned, Civics are changing in a year so that might not be great to get an old body style since it has been around since early 2001.

Whatever you do, by the APA $25.oo printout of the dealer costs on the cars and their costs on PDI and adm. fees and that will assist you greatly in not getting ripped off.

Also, IMPORTANT, do not buy the dealer "rustproofing" or other car care products.  Total rip and not on bit effective.  They make huge profit on this and the business manger will put you under much sales pressure to buy it.  Also, extended warranties on the mechanicals can be purchased near the end of the original warranty regardless of what they tell you.
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2005, 12:24:47 pm »
Both good choices.  Ask yourself what concerns you the most about car ownership in the long run and pick the car that best puts your mind at ease.
It is easy to get down to the nitty grity with these two great choices, but reflect on your needs first.  Space, power, fuel consumption etc.etc.    
You could make far worse choices, these two are at the top.  Enjoy the one you buy, read your owners manual like the word of God and come back if you need any advice.  Oh yeah, skip the extra car care products.  

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2005, 12:40:44 pm »
Thanks for the advice!  

I was looking to get automatic transmission.  If I go with the Mazda3 GT sedan, it will be minus GFX pkg.  With the financing rates ending at the end of the month I will be making a decision soon.

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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2005, 01:51:31 pm »
Hey Marionette; I gave you the wrong numbers on the Mazda.  I quoted the Mazda 3 Sport GT.  Do you think they have enough models choices for the car? clipart{crazy}  

The Mazda 3 GS with SP snd PP is $$26,346. less discount.

The Mazda 3 GT less GFX is $26,875 less discount.

So the trade off is a sunroof (GS) for more HP and larger rims and tires.

After that, more or less the same car.

Since you asked for opinions; if I was ordering the car in automatic and providing I was an average driver, I would want the base 2. litre and the 15 inch wheels and tires.  It will save money later on and to a normal driver it will not be an issue.  All that said providing a sunroof is a priority.  Sun roofs are great when the car gets older and the AC quits and is an arm and a leg to fix.

Another issue regarding the Civic v. Mazda 3 is the hatch and what you will be able to load and transport in Mazda.  For that reason alone, the Madza 3 wins because the trunk in the Civic is fairly useless for large bulky objects.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2005, 02:33:13 pm »
If the sunroof is a priority wouldn't you have to step up to the Civic SI (4 door) to make this fair?  Wouldn't this lessen the $$$ difference also?
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2005, 09:32:51 pm »
Hi,

Thanks for the clarification ArticSteve.  

The sunroof, although nice to have isn't a priority for me.  I was planning on a straight Mazda3 GT sedan.  However now that I see the the proximity in price, I may consider GS PP + SP. ;)

Quadzilla, I too thought that only the civic SI came with a sunroof, but the LX-G has one as well.  

Thanks again.

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2005, 09:55:27 am »
I know a fellow that had the same decision, and he drive them both and greatly preferred the softer driving dynamics of the Civic.  The greater glass area (or percieved, anyway) also appealed to him.

Me?  I think the Mazda3 is much more car and I prefer the way it drives.

Lesson?  Drive them both, pick the one you like better and buy it.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2005, 10:08:19 am »

I think if you were buying a manual transmission it would be a non-issue: Mazda3.

But the autos in the 3's have been the source of some frustration. Mazda's pretty good with warranty claims, and I'd prob still chance it b/c I love the car, but for a lot of people the softer Civic is all they're after. I'm sure it feels less peppy, but would get better mileage and most people wind up happy with theirs overall.

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« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2005, 12:27:52 pm »
I have only ever driven automatic.  I wasn't sure if I should try and learn manual.  It would save me some $$ but I wasn't sure if it would be more stressful down the road, ie. stop and go traffic.

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2005, 12:32:28 pm »
Is insurance rates a concern.
Isnt the Civic one of the most stolen cars in Canada?

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2005, 12:34:30 pm »
Civic don't cost more than anything else to insure around here... on par with Mazda3, Aerio, Golf...

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2005, 02:22:19 pm »
Like Shank says, Civics and Mazada 3s essentially the same to insure.  Civic coupes more dough than sedans.

Loss from theft is zip in comparison to loss from the mandatory accident benefits section. In Ontario every subsection of the policy receives a rate group.  Volvos may have a high group rating on collision coverage, but very low on mandatory accident benefits.

Marionette, save getting a stick for another time; when your through with urban life and move to the hinterland.

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2005, 09:30:30 pm »
Hi,

I've decided to go with the Mazda3 sedan!  Still working out weather to get GS+PP+SP or GT.  I did price the car through carcostcanada.  Unfortunately the discount on a Mazda3 is not very much and the dealers weren't budging either. Not sure if I should go through APA.  Perhaps I will have to work on my negotiating skills.  ;)

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2005, 10:55:24 pm »
Great, during the negotiating process don't let them know you aren't getting sucked into their "car care" options.  If they think you will fork over up to a grand for nothing after the sale, they might cut you some slack to keep you in the game.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2005, 05:32:39 pm »
My wife just bought a Mazda 3 Sport GT - in addition to the $750 manufacturer rebate, she got $800 off.  After picking a colour, going for a test drive, I asked how much if we bought the car right away.  The saleman immediately offered to halve the standard dealer markup of $1600 and we took it.  BTW, this was frm an Ottawa dealer.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2005, 01:14:27 am »
Brianmw, what's that $750 mfg rebate you're talking about?  You mean Mazda currently has $750 off the MSRP of the M3?

And you got an extra $800 off?

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2005, 05:40:59 pm »
Yes - if you don't take the 0% financing (over 24 months), you can get $750 rebate.  It's not in Mazda's ads, but I found this out through carcostcanada.  In addition, I got another $800 off (the MSRP is about $1600 more than dealer invoice).

........................................ M.S.R.P .. Dealer Invoice Cost
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2005 Mazda Mazda3 Sport GT Base Price $21,485.00 .. $20,051.00  

Optional equipment selected      
-air conditioning (AC00) ............. $1,000.00 ..... $933.00  
-metallic paint ........................ $105.00 ...... $86.00  
Freight+PDI ............................ $925.00 ..... $925.00  
Air Tax .................................$100.00 ..... $100.00  
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Totals including all items above: ... $23,615.00 .. $22,095.00  

Current Factory Incentive Programs.  
You can choose any one of the following:

#1 - Finance Rates:
24 Months   0.00%
36 Months   1.90%
48 Months   2.90%
60 Months   3.90%

#2 - Lease Rates:  
24 Months   6.10%
36 Months   6.80%
48 Months   7.20%

#3 - Rebates & Allowances:
$750 non-stackable trading dollars  



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