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« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2004, 08:27:20 pm »
Here's a follow-up question to the non-power steering question. (let's see, yes, I DID say YOUNG drivers) OK
If any, how many experienced sprained thumbs?  
I think the lack of learning to drive on gravel roads with rocks and potholes is limiting the responses I seek.

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« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2004, 08:29:56 pm »
 None powered steering The list is endless.
bug eye sprite
morris minors ( various)
ford Popular ( 1127cc sidevalve...ghastly car)
mgb
lotus elan
sabb 99  heavy to park that one.

renault 5
citroen BX ( actually that might have had PS..never looked)
peugeot 104,205,307

tr6 and tr7
Tr spitfire
MG tc
mazda GLC ( the 2nd one not the original)
minis various including a 1/2 race cooper S

every marginal car of the  60's in fact ( in the UK and france)

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« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2004, 08:38:48 pm »
tpl, I notice all the cars you listed are small ones and you never answered the question I asked.
I'll put the question in bold print for all to read.

If any, how many experienced sprained thumbs?

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« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2004, 09:34:17 pm »
I know what you're talking about Roadr. No one under the age of 60 will know that, tho. My first cars were 1955 Plymouth, '58 Monarch and another Plymouth (all used loaners from step-father's small town dealership) and first one I owned was a '50 Ford Fordor flathead V8. The one that could really sprain your thumb was the old Ford 3 ton grain truck I drove one harvest in the field for my uncle. The steering wheel kicked something fierce in that truck in the rough field. I was 12 years old and it was my introduction to driving. Had to wire wood blocks to the gas, clutch and brake pedals so I could reach. Most kids I knew then learned to drive at about that age, mostly on farms and in small towns. Steering wheel kick has been gone for decades now.  
Here's an older one, and I never did experience this first hand but ppl my parents age had done so. The old, old cars you had to crank to start could break a man's arm on the kick-back and did it regularily to ppl. Christ, that stuff is a long, long time ago.
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« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2004, 10:35:52 pm »
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« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2004, 11:05:53 pm »
Hah you're right Ovr. I should have realised the young crowd wouldn't have experienced the 'thrill' of damn near getting your thumbs broke in the steering wheel.

My first experince was when learning to drive an almost worn out Model 'A' Ford a neighbor (and close family friend) owned. I remember there being lots of open space.
This was on his property (about 200 acres I think)
and he asked me if I wanted to try and drive it. What kid at 11 years old would say no?
He started it and sat in the passenger seat and showed me how to shift and how NOT to stall it.
I didn't graduate out of first gear when the hard rubber tire hit a stone on his driveway and the steering wheel kicked and spun.
Well, when you've no idea when or what to expect, and you have a firm grip on the wheel (with your thumb on the inside of the wheel) and all of a sudden you find yourself hollering in pain and holding your hand, you tend to forget you are supposed to be in contol of a rolling vehicle.

To this day, my left thumb still makes a loud snapping sound when I bend it all the way. It was never set properly and didn't grow the way it was designed to. Let me tell you, it's something you NEVER forget.

Only one other time I nearly had it broke was one day while helping another working partner attempting to steer a Maddil mobile steel spar into position. This thing was a real heavy pig to maneuver (at any time). This day was no exception.
I was standing on the cab step (with the door open) pulling on the huge steering wheel with the driver when the wheel spun in my direction. No place to go but fall off and that's what I did.
I felt like I had been kicked by a mule!
My hand swelled up twice it's normal size in seconds until the driver had managed to get out of the cab and run for a bucket of ice in a cooler.
NOTE: ROB, do you know if S. Maddil still has a plant in Naniamo? They used to build the 90-110ft mobile steel spars.
It's hazardous working in the woods, but this incident is a very minor one compared to some I saw during my 10 years growing up in a camp plus another 4 years working in the bush at various levels.

Starting engines without a starter.
It happened to me a few times during my younger years. Once trying to crank start an old farm tractor, (Minneapolis-Moline) that was a beaut.

Trying to start an old one lung (cylinder) Marine (diesel) Easthope where you turned the flywheel until it came up TDC (you could feel the pressure) and then gave the flywheel a real hard fast turn and hoped it would fire up.
That thing dislocated my Dad's shoulder one year.

Some of you 'coasters' might not know or remember the engine but you can hear the distinct sound it makes when running. Ker-chuk, ker-chuk, ker-chuk.
(Cut the last 'k' short and you've got it) They weren't very powerful but they used to last forever.

Ahh, the 'good'? old days.  These days of pavement all over the place and power assist steering prevent all those happy days!

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2004, 11:08:20 pm »
Cripes, it's hard to believe that much time has passed. I was reminded today another year has passed my by. Sheeesh!.

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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2004, 11:20:37 pm »
Ya, Roadr, it's now or never for that hot rod you've always wanted. Damn the debt-free world; full speed ahead. Go shopping, man. Get a new toy!

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« Reply #28 on: December 18, 2004, 12:10:22 am »
I have to agree with Ovr's statement there as when I die I want to be buried in the nude. Thats How I arrived so I am not planning on too much going with me when its time. Get yourself a Toy you have always wanted like a 1957 Chev 2drhdtp. with a polished up big block in it. A Red one would do the job just right.

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« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2004, 03:52:42 am »
back to the topic at hand
i have several friends (absent from this forum) that would prefer something that looked good and comfy and would not brake down on them
I recognized soon after i started driving that going fast is not what ppl want, they want to look fast.
if this board represented the motoring pubic there would be several changes
1) manual transmissions would be standard on all models and makes (autos only as an option and would cost about 6k b/c so little ppl buy them)
2) there would be a cheap and affordable road course 15min from where u live
3) no cars (i mean non SUVs or trucks) would weigh more than 3000 lbs
4) all season tires no longer exist
5) FWD would be extremely rare
6) speed limit pushed up to 80 in the city (ridiculous really, 60 in 4th my car is almost stalling)
7) etc.. etc...

feel free to add anything u would like
would be pretty cool though

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« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2004, 07:29:21 am »
i like overboosted steering wheel system.
The one in my GC is really good, u dont hve to make any effort to move it, and when cruising on the highway it gets stiffer that gives me good road manners...

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« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2004, 07:29:23 am »
Roadr: no sprained thumbs. light cars and rack and pinion  equals little kick back.

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All headlights to be at the same height with a euro beam pattern
A special licence required to drive a pickup truck or suv in the city except as a real work or tow vehicle.
Car insurance based only on the vehicle stats, driver and driver record stats .... not padded with subsidizing Ohip ( nb: this is an Ontario thing)

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« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2004, 01:19:43 pm »
RR> At 19, I think I'm the youngest one in here (and female to boot!) I have driven several vehicles with armstrong steering, and let me tell you - what a work out! No sprained thumbs, but plenty of stiff and sore arms for the first few days after I started driving w/o power steering. Actually, I got used to it and when I'd hop into a car with p/s I found myself a bit lost (far too easy)! I've got p/s in my truck now...and with baby on board I find it a little easier...I have a free hand if I need it to pop the soother back in the mouth.

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« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2004, 01:32:16 pm »
19!  Oi vay...my back aches....I suddenly have to squint to see the screen......my ankles are swollen...I have to go nap now.  

Many of today's cars have variable assisted steering systems now where there is no boost at highway speeds but provides full power steering assist in low speed parking manouvers.  Pretty handy.  Now BMW has their new generation of power steering...where at low speeds, you don't have to crank the wheel 3 times to get to full lock but at highway speeds it returns to normal....neat stuff.

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« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2004, 03:41:25 pm »
Wannabe
One thing a lot of firstime standard steering drivers miss is the fact you need a LITTLE forward or reverse motion to move the steering easily. But yeah, I found a lot of vehicles from farming communities don't have power assist steering for the obvious reasons. It's one less thing to break down.
New combines and the like have power assist steering and a/c among other conveniences to make the horrendously long hours a little more bearable.
For those who are fortunate enough to afford them.