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« on: December 13, 2004, 10:20:43 am »
DaimlerChrysler, GM team on hybrids  

Automakers will jointly develop new hybrid motors to compete with Japanese rivals.
December 13, 2004: 8:08 AM EST

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler and General Motors will jointly develop new hybrid motors to compete against Japanese rivals on the fuel-saving technology that reduces harmful emissions, the companies said Monday.
 
The goal is to make advanced hybrid propulsion systems that will improve acceleration and fuel economy for GM, Chrysler and Mercedes Car Group vehicles, according to a joint statement.
 
The accord teams GM (Research), the world's biggest carmaker, and German-American DaimlerChrysler (Research), the global number five, against rivals including Toyota Motor Corp. (Research) and Honda Motor Co. (Research) who have a head start in the hybrid market.
 
The wide-ranging program will allow opportunities for additional partners, and could become a hybrid source for other auto manufacturers," the statement said.
 
Variants planned include rear- and front-wheel-drive versions for cars, trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs). Each company will integrate the new hybrids into its own models.  
GM intends to put hybrids into its full-sized Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon SUVs in late 2007.
 
DaimlerChrysler's U.S. arm Chrysler will offer a range of hybrids, the first of which will be featured in its Dodge Durango SUV, to come on the market shortly after GM's hybrid SUVs.  
Daimler's premium Mercedes-Benz brand will focus on high-tech hybrid propulsion systems in rear-wheel drive passenger cars in the luxury segment.
 
Hybrids link an electric motor to an internal combustion engine so that cars run on battery power at slower speeds. The batteries recharge automatically and capture energy from braking.
 
Hybrids more popular

Toyota's Prius passenger car has emerged as the most popular hybrid. Customers in the United States often have to wait half a year or longer to get one.
 
Other models available in the U.S. market are Honda's Civic and Insight, which in 1999 became the first gasoline-electric car to be sold in the United States, and Ford Motor Co.'s (Research) Escape sport utility vehicle.  
GM and DaimlerChrysler will work on what they call "two-mode full hybrid" technology.
 
"Together we will jointly develop what is essentially an electrically variable transmission with two hybrid drive modes," said Tom Stephens, group vice president of GM Powertrain.
 
"This system will reduce fuel consumption at highway speeds much more effectively than available single mode systems and achieve at least a 25 percent improvement in composite fuel economy in full-size truck applications."  
The new system aims to improve performance and fuel economy at highway speeds and increase trailer towing ability. The system's electric motors are designed to fit within the approximate space of a conventional automatic transmission.
 
The development team will be based in Michigan.  
DaimlerChrysler's research and development chief Thomas Weber had told a newspaper in October that its premium Mercedes-Benz brand would launch hybrid cars within five years in key markets such as the United States and Japan.  
The world's fifth-biggest carmaker did not think hybrids could dislodge diesel engines in Europe for the time being, he said, but it was ready to produce hybrids in Europe should market conditions change.  



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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2004, 02:24:01 pm »
I'd buy a hybrid...  more power and less fuel consumption, who wouldn't.

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2004, 02:32:24 pm »
If diesel can't be dislodged in "GREENLAND" a.k.a
Europea ,byhybrids bring more of the sooty(Not)smelly(add Eau de Cologne or Paris),efficient,torquey buggers over here and leave the Ultra-Pricey as yet untested Hybrids to the HollyWOODEN set....!!!!
THERE IS NO CURE FOR "LOTUS"......ONLY TREATMENT.....

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2004, 02:36:45 pm »
I'd buy a hybrid if their resale value wouldn't drop faster than domestic products...  

the problem with hybrids is that their batteries (6-7000$) need to be replaced about 8-9 years.

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2004, 02:56:35 pm »
I saw an autoweek show on the new escape hybrid and thought it to be rather funny actually.

35MPG, WOW!  The prius gets close to 60mpg but Ford gives us 35MPG?  Seems rather pathetic when a hybrid is getting less MPG than a regular sedan.



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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2004, 02:59:23 pm »
lol I agree.  
But I have to give a hand to Ford for actually TRYING to be more green.  We've all gotta start somewhere-- and I think one day hybrids may be mainstream.

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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2004, 03:19:40 pm »
Re: Escape achieving only 35 MPG

It's much harder to wring more MPG out of an SUV because of their inherent weight and poor aerodynamic design.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2004, 03:32:11 pm »
James, I think you may have missed the point? 35mpg in the city for a 4x4 SUV is bad? Compared to what, a Tucson that gets 23mpg?

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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2004, 03:39:36 pm »
Wiffy’s Toyota Highlander gets a constant 12.8/100 driving in Sudbury. For some reason she has been monitoring her fuel consumption during the last 8 months…..perhaps trying to find a way to talk to me…..I was impressed. That is 22.1 mpig for you dummies.

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2004, 04:17:17 pm »
But they kept saying how they were soooo green.

I'm sorry if you REALLY wanted to be green STOP producing SUVs, but then of course Ford knows if they do that, they won't be seeing very much GREEN.

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2004, 05:51:15 pm »
Boy, you really have it in for Ford huh? Who is "they", Ford or Autoweek? Ford should stop producing SUV's? So by that measure, Toyota can't claim any "greenness" for its Prius until it stops selling Highlanders and Sequoias?

All I see is Ford is the first company to produce a Hybrid SUV and while its fuel economy isn't as great as a FWD sedan's, it is still much, much better than other vehicles in its class.

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2004, 06:50:23 pm »
I guess you don't know that Ford claims they are GREEN, they are growing grass on the roof of their head office they are so green (no joke).  They are trying to promote they are the greenest car company I think it's a crock of $$$$

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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2004, 10:50:10 pm »
I think Ford made the 'first' SUV hybrid because nobody else had one in the market (yet) and they knew they would be able to makes lots of green from it.  
If they used the Focus it would have to compete with the Toyota and Hondas out there already which would be a tough sell.  
But I think the Focus would have been a better platform to use.  It has more space and better mileage to begin.
__________space up/down  Mileage
Escape 2.3H -- 27.6/66 -- 36/31
Escape 2.3 --  29.3/66 -- 22/25
Focus  2.3 --  35.6/74 -- 26/35

As far as saying they are 'green', nope.  I would say the same to Toyota and Honda.  But I guess when there isn't many green cars on the road, being the most green isn't much of a challange.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2004, 09:28:48 am »
Honda is the greenest company no doubt... why do you think they have a policy against V8? They also have the best average fuel economy accross their lineup, but then again, they don't produce big trucks like Toyota does...