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« on: December 10, 2004, 03:22:34 pm »
otherwise why would honda be acura, toyota be lexus and nissan be infiniti. next thing we know mazda will have the AwesomeSuper and hyundai will have the  ExcellentPrestige brand.

a honda = acura. toyota = lexus.  why do people get swept up with car label.

i still buy a g35 if it was called a nissan.  i still buy a tsx if it was a honda.

you know why? because it is!  geezes chrsit!
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2004, 03:26:36 pm »
Yes……but most people with money do not want to be seen in a Toyota. They want to be look like they have money and want a Lexus. Just because you have money does not necessarily mean you are smart.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 03:33:36 pm »
let me play devil advocate here:

so those people that buy an accord hybrid for 40K are smarter than if they branded the accord as acura for the same price?  

I know personally that if acura rl was called honda rl i would still consider it.  it's the same anyway.

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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 03:40:56 pm »
I bought my Acura over the Honda version because:

a) available navigation and rear view camera
b) better interior touches/finishes
c) better styling to my eyes
d) available moonroof
e) Acura service
f) available curtain airbags
g) stability assist

These things were worth it to me.  

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 03:48:47 pm »
But what he's questioning is the decision by Honda and Toyota to market upscaled product under a different nameplate on this continent when they don't on others...not the decision to offer upscaled product.

I think it's just a market reality in North America that premium product is sold under a premium nameplate.  And that's something that the big three have perpetuated long before foreign cars acheived the kind of market presence they have today.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2004, 03:49:51 pm »
whta's the acura version vs. honda version?  

are you telling me that for ever acura car there is a corresponding honda car?  show me the honda equiv of the tsx and tl and rl.  in domestic!

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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2004, 03:50:42 pm »
I guess you don’t fit in the most category then MD.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2004, 03:53:09 pm »
I am talking about my preference of my Acura MDX over the Honda Pilot.  Names are changed for NA purposes to differentiate it.  Sell a TSX under the Honda name for 35K and people buy the Accord instead.  Name it Acura and put the Acura touches on it and it sells well.  People will not pay $45K for a Honda TL.  But they will for Acura.  Same goes for a $70K RL.  Nobody will buy that from a Honda dealer.  Too much money for the brand.  And that is the reason why we have upscale brands.  

I guess I'm not like most people....according to this logic, most people will buy a VW Phaeton and W12 Passat because of a regular nameplate.  There's lots of people buying those cars aren't there?



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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2004, 03:55:31 pm »
I too drive an Acura over a Honda because of the little touches such as leather HEATED seats, moonroof, side airbags, styling, interior trim, slight bump in power. . .    

But I'd enjoy a Nissan Skyline over an Infiniti G35 any day purely due to the skyline's name roots.

I do agree though that a lot of people in our society crave to be seen behind a badge.

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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2004, 04:02:32 pm »
Consumption mentality,abundance of spendable $s,
snob appeal,perception of "I've made it" or
"I deserve this".
Why buy a 8,000 square foot home, when a 2,000 square foot home would do.
Why buy a Rolex, when a Timex does the same thing.
Why sleep in a $900.00 a night hotel, when a $50.00 a night hotel room  will do.
There is a lot money in a lot of peoples wallets
in the world today,and spending it makes the world go round.

I do not know too many people that do not spend more then they earn.

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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2004, 02:45:18 pm »
I read somewhere that Mazda thought about introducing a premium brand a decade ago or something. They were ready to and then they suddenly decided not to. The Mazda Millenia was a luxury car created that was suppose to be sold under the premium brand. It's a great car and all but 40K for a new Mazda luxury car? That's why it didn't sell well. Simply because it was a Mazda.

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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2004, 04:08:50 pm »
It's largely about perceptions created by marketing, not necessarily tangible differences.  The luxury brands stand for something better than the regular brands (in the eyes of most, anyway).  This is created by marketing and pricing decisions.

This happens in a lot of other businesses too.  For example, Proctor and Gamble sells a budget laundry soap (Gain) and a premium one (Tide).  How much difference is there, I don't know.  But even if they were nearly identical, people would still pay more for Tide because of its brand image as being a top detergent.

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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2004, 05:53:04 pm »
Old news Winson..Mazda was to have introduced a "higher end/luxury/fancier" call it what you will, line called AMANTI...but backed out (financial problems at the time possibly!!??) and left the Millenia languishing amongst the 626's and Proteges...while Lexus(Toyota) and Acura(Honda) went full bore with a seperate dealership upmarket and a bigger line-up...the rest is History.You seemingly can't sell a good car/perfume/pair of shoes/necktie without STROKING THE "SMART PUBLIC!!" with a little extra razzle dazzle....personally I like my cheap second hand Millenia S and I'm buying a GUZZI handbag fer the wifeys Xmas..and a Hugo BASS suit fer $125..seems fishy?? and Eau De' Deathe FISSHE Cologne fer the girlfriend!!!......What I am trying to say there is great sh*t out there if you keep your eyes open and ignore the Vogue ,GQ advertisements....happy shoppin' there's only 385 purchasing days till NEXT CHRISTMAS!!!
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2004, 09:31:41 pm »
I know its old news. That's why I said around a decade ago.

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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2004, 09:39:02 pm »
I generally go for value, and don't pay that much attention to the brand unless it's established it's self as a value leader.  There are exceptions, of course.  I loved my Porsches, and admit that the "cache" had something to do with it.  But, the flip side was unwanted attention.

I began buying Mercedes-Benzes out of frustration of cars wearing out too soon.  MB had a reputation for longevity, ease of repair, and a per-mile cost that was tough to beat.  I bought a low mileage 190E 2.3 to give it a try, and after piling over 300K on it without major repair, I was sold.  Things have changed, though...

No one buys a $70,000 car for anything other than image and cache.  Most luxury car features are now available in cars costing a fraction of that.  A $70,000 RL or $85,000 E-Class won't last one km longer than a $25,000 EL or $40,000 C-Class.  What do you get?  You get the rolling billboard that states that either "you can afford an expensive car" or "you have a huge lease payment that is driving you into bankruptcy as we speak."

We owned, at the same time, a 1998 C-Class and a 1998 E-Class.  Other than some extra trunk space and a few inches of rear leg room, the differences in the two cars were minimal.  The E was not constructed to a higher standard (it was actually built to a lower standard in my opinion) and there was little to separate it from the C230 other than badging, some cosmetics, and a huge price difference.  Of course, we didn't face the price difference thanks to buying the E300 used.

But, the market is the market, and there is a large group of buyers that aspire to looking down their noses at others through the car that they drive.  Makers are savvy to this.  For years GM had Chevy, Pontiac, Buick, Olds, and Caddilac.  Most of the cars were similar, they just heaped features on each brand as the price went up.

I have to admit that the Lexus ES330 and the Camry XLE V-6 are just like GM of old.  The cars are identical except for features and dealer service.  You're mostly buying the fancy L.  Based on the number of ES's I see, it's working, and working well.  Me? I would buy a three year old Lexus to get the neat features (Nak or Levinson stereo, etc.) but I would not pony up the original sticker.  No more new cars for me.  Too damned expensive!

Is there anyone really buying the glut of $40-60K cars I see roaming the streets?  Are there many cash buyers, or even people buying them on loans of 2-3 years, even 5?  I expect that the majority are leased, meaning that people are shopping only on payment and brand, and not on a cost based decision.

Buying an automobile has long been an emotional trip, and makers are eager to keep that from changing.  Welcome to the market!
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2004, 10:37:59 am »
I don't think I'm obsessed with luxury marquees, but I do have a passion for larger than average tents.
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2004, 12:17:11 pm »
Yeah there is nothing like lying under a big top..two intents man...!!!

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2004, 04:13:26 pm »
Luxury makes = increased profit for the carmakers.

We all do it.  Not just cars, but we all have something that tickles our pocketbook.  Fancy watches?  Clothes?  Shoes?  Electronic equipment?  
Outdoor gear?  Tires?  You name it...there will always be a cheaper alternative that came from the same sweatshop factory as the brand name one did.  

Would you pay 7K for Rolex that had the Timex name over it?  Doubtful.  Would a rebranded pair of Nikes sell for $200 if it had the Sonic name on it?  Nope.  

One last thing, all computers have a Shift button that allows you to use capitals when typing...not just the brand name HP or Compaq machines.  

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2004, 06:40:59 pm »
I personally never understood why some people pay more money for the same thing.  The classic example was the Nissan Pathfinder and the Infinity (QX4?).  EXACT same car with a sticker difference of over $10K - WTF?  

Although I like the styling of the MDX, the Honda Pilot seems like a much better buy and the Honda burns regular gas vs. premium to boot.  But then again, I really don't have much use for luxury vehicles so I'm the wrong guy to ask.  I will say the if you need a DVD system in your SUV, you probably didn't REALLY need an SUV.  ( no offense to my friends on the board - if you have the money spend it on whatever floats your boat.)

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2004, 06:52:55 pm »
I watched a program on TV last night showing the top 5 Luxury Cars of this century. Starting at 5th was the 1961 Lincoln 4dr Convertible with the Suicide Doors. No. 2 was a 2003 Rolls Royce Sedan. No.3 was a 1936 Bently with a Supercharger on the engine. Problem with was only 3.5 miles to the gal but do 137 miles per hour. No.4 was a newer Bently with twin Turbo's and Finally No.1 was the Dusenberg. You bought the engine,drivetrain,Chassis and Hood with Grill from the Factory and then hired your own coach builder to build exactly what you wanted. You chose the entire car from a Dealer this way. The Bently at the time cost around $5000. US but the Dusenbuerg cost between $17000. and $20.000 US. Its the eqivulent of one and a half Million Dollars to-day. Everybody designed their own view of luxury as no 2 Dusenberg's were ever alike.