Thanks for all the info on these vans...........ended up picking up a 96 grand with 4 doors 3.3 certified e tested and very clean for 3500.. I think it will be a good van for running around in town and going to the Home depot.............I have a Intrepid with a 3.3 engine and it has been good even though the water pump went on it. Its an easy fix on the Intrepid