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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2004, 12:40:52 pm »
No flame suit necessary Dave….you are right. I was listening to Depeche Mode Remixes 81-04 in the early evening……cool. Went for a quick boot up town and I grabbed the CD and dashed out the door.  I just cranked it and then the license plate started to rattle on my bumper. Fack…the glue compound I used separated from the vibration.
I spent a few thousand bucks in speakers, amps, and a sub for Scoob. The sound is very good compared to OEM’s….but nothing like a home system.

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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2004, 12:41:55 pm »
I agree with you on that bit of information as the only systems that have been built with the interior in mind I believe was Bose. They GM designed the interior around the sound of the stereo system back in approx 1983. Car systems are not designed as well as Home Units.

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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2004, 12:43:09 pm »
You'll never get the sound right in a vehicle.  A dedicated listening room in a home with even average components will be far better than high end components in a vehicle.  Besides, I'd say 99% of the people who purchase aftermarket components can't tell the difference.  Especially those kids spending a few G to get big bass but little else.

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« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2004, 12:48:58 pm »
They usually get a little more then just the deep Bass, Blown windows and eardrums and shakey head syndrom can appear as well as annoying everybody else around them in traffic.  

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« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2004, 01:25:34 pm »
Shnak - I guess I don't consider $90 marginal either - especially when you consider the performance difference between the TDI and the 2.slow.

Actually I just did some math....  the $1690 TDI option costs $36 per month on a 60 month term (3.9% fixed).  So factoring that in - even at 25k kms per year - that still leaves a significant savings.  But it's edging towards the hardly noticible range.

But hey - then consider the improved resale of TDI's and/or driving more and it's a no-brainer (if you like the car).
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« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2004, 01:32:51 pm »
I'm interested in the actual maintenance costs of running a TDI.  I was under the impression that the TDI would be cheaper or equal overall due to the 16,000 km service interval.  (My 1.8t has an 8000km interval)

Sounds like folks believe they are considerable more expensive to maintain.

Is it true?

Oh - the car audio discussion is cool - I basically agree.  I have no use for a fancy system - just an adequate OEM system that no one wants to steal!

IMO VW is very adequate - Subaru - not so adequate - except in the new Legacy GT - it's not bad!

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« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2004, 05:55:34 pm »
Wow, I'm surprised at the reception to my (usually, but not today) controvercial remarks.  Nice to see people actually pay attention and listen comparatively.

What I've always wondered on those car shaking systems - what happens to all the connections/fasteners/glued and welded joints, with all the continued, highly amplified, vibrations.  Those cars must literally rattle themselves to death over time.  And then there's actually being inside one ...

I've not been impressed with BOSE car stereos.  Subaru's have always been bad, not tried the new Legacy one.  My BMW one is "fine", but certainly not great.  The Audi one I would put down as good by car standards.  I seem to recall the TSX stereo sounding quite good in my one test drive.  How is the funky S40/V50 new stereo?

So back to the Monsoon question/comment maybe worthy of a new thread - would you / have you paid the extra $300-900+ that the "upgraded" stereo option costs on a new car?
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« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2004, 06:01:49 pm »
I certainly would have paid an extra 500-600$ to have the upgraded speakers in my car. From what I read, it's the same speakers as I currently have, but with amplifiers to power them. I have no heard them, but again, from what I read, it improves the sound a lot.

If there's one thing that is important to me in a car, it's decent sound.

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« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2004, 06:27:19 pm »
I would not.  I'd go out and get myself an aftermarket amp and non-paper speakers for the $900.

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« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2004, 06:58:34 pm »
Davidm, if you get a chance to hear the Dolby
Surround Pro Logic II, thats offered in all Volvo
models, I think this system will impress you.

For the S40/V50 an audio package is offered as an option.
12 Premium sound loudspeakers
Dolby Surround Pro Logic II*with centre loudspeaker and digital sound processor
Premium sound amplifier  4 X 70 W plus 25 W for the centre loudspeaker
Premium sound digital sound processor
In dash 6-CD player
Optional 140 W sub woofer

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« Reply #50 on: November 04, 2004, 09:38:30 pm »
I checked out an S40 - with the upgraded sound - and I was highly impressed with the system!  It's what you'd expect in such a vehicle - good thing too!...  Where would you put an aftermarket unit???

Bose has never impressed me - seems to be about the name and not the sound.  I think that's what's in the Mazda 6 - not worth the upgrade price.

As for the Monsoon upgrade in a VW - I've not listened to one - is it that much of a difference?  I recall it being only a small fee as an upgrade on my '01 Jetta (like $400 or less which isn't much in the brutal world of OEM audio upgrades)

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« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2004, 05:54:24 am »
There are two threads here!
1) Is a TDI worth it.  Maybe not now but in the long term as fuel costs in Canada inch up to Euro levels a diesel will pay back for long distance commuters and taxi drivers.  Its the torque that does it. I'd buy a BMW 330D in an instant...but I suspsect i'd have to keep it forever to get my moneysworth.

2) Sound in cars. 680 News doesnt need high fidelity. Jazz FM 91 playing discs that may have been recorded 50 years ago doesn't. Rock and Roll with its built in distortion doesn't either.  SO that leaves classical music....which does really require a better listening environment that a car regardless of fidelity...IMHO
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« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2004, 12:07:59 pm »
What about HIP-HOPERA ??? it ain't over till the Fat B*stard spins on his head.....
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« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2004, 04:53:33 pm »
Tpl - hit the nail on the head.  Still, a CD of any sort of music - R&B, Dance, 60's rock, indy punk, etc. there is a difference between poor quality recording and poor quality reproduction.  I like to hear my fuzz, distortion, and crappy guitar playing as clearly as possible.

S60, I'm not a fan of any of the Prologic algorithms.  The audio geeks I used to hang out with had a not very polite phrase about it along the lines of phase facking.  We made a box, the PF2000 (short for phase $#%%^ 2000) that did the same thing as the original Pro Logic.  I'm also not a fan of 12-way stereos as its such a hard challenge to get the frequency cross-overs to line up and then the physical wave propegation to work well in the space (to easy to get dead spots in the car due to inverse-phase subtraction - I need a picture here to make clear what I mean).  Besides, unless you are playing a DVD there are only 2 (or maybe 1 if you listen to 680) channels so 12 (IMHO) is a waste.  Sound reinforcement through multiple speakers is really tricky if you think any given listener is getting direct sound from more than 2 speakers (or there is more than 2 channels like on a DVD).

Can someone tell me what a Premium sound digital sound processor is?!?  Sounds like fancy words for digital EQ/Loudness/Reverb.  I'm not too into post processing, I'm more a fan of listening as mastering engineer intended.  That said, the car often requires post-processing to make things audible in the environment (a good clue it is a poor listening space is when post-processing is needed).

Also, S60, in the setup you mention 12 speakers and also mention a center speaker.  Is the center in addition to the 12.  The amp is 4x70+25 for the center, so assuming there are 12 speakers + the center then that means three speakers per amp channel (bass, mid, and tweeter for each passenger?  That would be nasty on space assuming the mid was 3-4" and the bass was 5-8").  How are the speakers placed and of what type?

I should go listen to an S40 sometime, always interested to see what people come up with.  I believe there is (or used to be) one of the higher end cars that came with a Macintosh setup - that was pretty nice (for a car).

Back to the original thread - I'm a big fan of torque and I think high torque low HP motors are good for in city applications.  My BMW is 190HP and 207ft/lbs and feels real nice.  These engines are perfect for my wife that complains about delay and oomphf off the line in the Audi, but is unwilling to rev it high as she doesn't like the sound.  My only thing is I also like redlining cars which means I'm okay with Miata and S2000 style engines.  Oh well, I guess its good when you like both.

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« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2004, 05:43:12 pm »

The 8-speaker sound system in the VW is superb! I went to a car audio place to ask about different systems, and he said there really wasn't much to impove on. The speakers are located in decent positions - the only reservation being the two at near butt level under the rear armrest on the 3-dr. Otherwise they're mounted high enough where making the sound feel full around you - the forward-low position on either door, where the side mirrors are, just behind the front doors on either side mounted close to the window, and said ones on either side of the rear seat. I prefer crisp treble and being able to hear the lyrics over thumping bass, which the system is great for. I didn't get to tune my bro's Monsoon system in his Jetta, but it didn't really sound any different than mine. He has more bass capability I think tho.  

I drove the Mazda3 b/c I was/am considering it, but the stereo sounded quite hollow by comparison, 6-speakers or not it sounded cheap. Not as bad as some others, but certainly not up to anywhere near the same level I was used to, and quality OEM audio units are important to me. Have to say I loved the backlit redundant controls mounted on the steering wheel tho.

Best audio units I've heard were in the VW Phaeton, new Acura TL, and new Caddy STS - frig that thing's got speakers everywhere including the seats on either side of the headrest! Only other car I've seen that on was the Mazda Miata, but I'm sure other premium European roadsters still do it. There's plenty of systems that are supposedly 'brand' or premium systems that to me sound like complete garbage. Others, by contrast, are breakthroughs. VW's isn't a breakthrough, but it is damned good - and standard equipment!
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« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2004, 06:35:32 pm »
Davidm:  I know this is slightly off topic but have you ever listened to cds produced by Mapleshade Records ( http://www.mapleshaderecords.com/index.php ) out of the USA?  Their live two track recordings are done in a mansion where they use different rooms to achive different accoustics.  If so, what do you think of them?  It sounds (pun intended) like you know your stuff.  
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« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2004, 07:18:10 pm »
Davidm, I have no technical experience at all,
but I have grown to really enjoy the Dobly surround sound in the car. I find it took some time to get used to it, but I very seldom switch to 3 channel, or 2 channel anymore.
It spoils you, so to speak, even my 8 year old
daughter notices if I switch it off.

I came across this site which is interesting
http://www.dolby.com/consumer/auto/yourauto.html

Back to VW, I enjoyed the system in the 1996 Golf
I had.

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« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2004, 08:00:31 pm »
Quad, sorry I don't know that label.  Lots of people are trying to go back to "natural" reverb and do beautiful stuff with a 2-track and a nice x-y setup of high-end mics.  Produces the most familiar sound, but too a lot of people that ends up sounding "small" as they are used to the heavily processed music that is targeted at the radio (heavily compressed, bottom and top maxed out, zero dynamic range, etc.).

Curious S60, that it took getting used to.  Does it sound "bigger" or more "spacious" than in regular 2 channel mode?  That is the usual telltale/purpose of Prologic stuff.  I'm not saying its bad - many people like it better - just its not "faithful to the original" as us audio snobs like to say.  I tend to like a "cleaner" more "natural" sound.  To each his own.

Sir... (sorry, too long), 8 ways often work as you are really getting 1 effective speaker near each passenger (1 cone + 1 tweeter nearby).  Makes the highs crystal clear, but can tend to make the sound "cold" or "harsh" compared to indirect or low-pass filtered (or Yamaha amplified) signal.  Since you say you appreciate crisp treble and are not into mud, this is the right setup for you.  Sometime I find the A-pillar tweeters on the Audi a little annoying in a dentist-drill kind of way.  I'm overly sensitive to highs above 10k (don't ask) so I tend to not like 1" tweeters 12 inches from my head.  Again, it sounds like you've bought the right system for your preferences.

My last Miata was a 10-way stereo.  2 speakers in door, 2 tweeters in door, 4 headrest "speakers" (I use the term loosely), and two thumpers in the seat backs.  This much sound reinforcement makes sense in a top down environment where you are simply fighting to hear the music - not about quality, about simply trying to hear the melody/lyrics/beat.  Most headrest speakers are really cheap cardboard, but can be quite inexpensively upgraded to 3" cones.  Problem is they are usually 6" apart (max) and pointed at the back of your head - not exactly optimal for anything other than sound reinforcement of high freq. when the top is down.

If you enjoy the setup, that's good, I just like to clarify the separation between a "good" system and one you like to listen to.  Sounds dumb, but very important when recording or doing gear design/testing.

On the VW front, loved the Monsoon system I heard in a Passat, hated the system in my 97 Jetta.