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« on: October 11, 2004, 01:15:43 pm »
Hi all - just found this forum for Canadian auto enthusiasts and am looking forward to sharing thoughts / info!  Let me start by asking for any help you can offer.  I'm considering the purchase of a 2001 or newer BMW 540iA - this car just pushes my buttons - want the sport package too. Anyway - just curious if anyone has had any recent experience in shopping / purchasing one of these.  My current opinion is the Calgary market is the most expensive in Canada - especially the BMW dealers.  Not to mention most Calgary cars are simply transplants from BMW Canada's auction out East! I guess I'm looking for any insight on pricing, sources, experiences - anything is appreciated!
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 03:18:19 pm »
They are awesome driving cars, but don't expect frugal "Honda like" driving.  These cars eat up expensive brake parts, require rigorous service to last, and are targets for vandals in large urban areas.

Personally, I'd be loathe to trust the ZF automatic thanks to many years of BMW using garbage ZF units behind V-8 and V-12 engines.  Find out from a BMW specific mechanic about ZF reliability on E39 cars.  I know that the E46 cars have auto-box problems.

When you find a potential car, have a PPI done by a BMW expert mechanic.  Any suspension parts are very pricey, AC systems are usually reliable, but repairing them is very expensive.  The V-8 cars require Z-rated performance tires, and they are expensive and need to be replaced frequently.

We owned a 1997 528i, and enjoyed it, except for the odd thing where you had to activate the AC compressor despite the ACC system.  Goofy, if you ask me.  We sold the car to a neighbour, and while it's been a good car for them, it's had it's share of glitches.  Fortunately, they replaced an Intrepid with it, so everything else seems reliable and cheap to maintain!

Problems with E39's include some instrument cluster failures, AC/ACC problems, various electrical accessories and some suspension bushings/components.

The V-8 engine is complex and very expensive to repair, so ensure that the driveline is in TOP shape.  Many people got burned by bad V-8's in the 95-era cars by buying a car with a "slightly uneven idle, needs plugs" when it really needed a whole new engine.  The new 4.4L engines are not at all the same, but make sure you have good service records and have the engine evaluated carefully.  Even a top end job on a BMW V-8 can run up close to $10K if enough stuff is wrong.

For a car that can give a 911 a run for it's money and carry four people in comfort and their luggage, used 540's are a true high performance bargain.  Just remember, like most high performance cars, they need TLC, and finding one that had it is more important that getting a good deal.  If you find a "bargain" 540, you'll probably pay lots more in the end.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2004, 09:59:07 pm »
As usual John's words of wisdom are good ones to heed.  I'll offer nothing further as far as constructive help or advice is concerned except to state that I've piloted two E39 540i w/ sport pkg and 6 spd transmissions and one E39 540i w/ the sissy stick.  The sport -pkg equipped cars (and manny tranny) make it a completely different vehicle and to this day, one of my favourite cars (esp. in black).  An absolutely incredible machine with delious, linear torque throughout the powerband.

But John's right:  don't expect Accord-like driving experiences, for better and for worse.  A BMW Certified Series car might be a little pricier than some you'll find elsewhere, but the extended warranty and thorough inspection process prior to purchase can be very valuable.

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2004, 02:23:37 pm »
John / Jeff - thanks for the great feedback. You make some excellent points.  I certainly need to keep the big picture in mind - something I tend to stray from in the excitement of the purchase thought.  Any thoughts on any other car that might provide similar satisfaction but lower maintenance cost/risk? I realize that's a tall order but always like to hear other opinions.  If someone would build a Japanese V8 powered sedan with a soul I'd probably be first in line!

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2004, 02:55:14 pm »
Lexus GS400.

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2004, 03:07:44 pm »
I agree with Pops here - most, if not all, Japanese supercars have little "soul", including the GS400.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2004, 03:23:47 pm »
I've indeed tried the GS 400/430 and though very nice cars, there's just something missing ... I think it's the difficult to quantify 'soul' - somehow I'm not as much of the driving experience as I'd hoped.  Still, I haven't taken them off my radar yet as I weigh the pros/cons vs. BMW ownership.  Maybe if Acura would build a V8 or maybe the new Infiniti M45 will have sport inclinations ...

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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2004, 03:32:14 pm »
You'll never see a V8 out of Honda/Acura. I read somewhere that they have a no-V8 policy for consumption and pollution reasons.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2004, 03:35:30 pm »
That's as close as it gets.  There's not a lot of Japanese 4 door sedans that's a driver's car.  That's not what they are interested in with 4 doors.  Too bad.  Perhaps the new RL coming out?  While you don't get that connected feeling with the Lexus as you do with the BMW...personally, if you do go this route, regardless of make or where the country of origin is, these cars will be expensive to maintain so it's really just the 540i that is in it's class of it's own.  Especially with a V8.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2004, 05:19:43 pm »
The BMW is a great car, but if you're serious about an automatic, consider the E55 Mercedes as well.  The 99-ish MB's have good build quality (surprise!) and the AMG parts are super-robust.  The E55 handles unlike any other MB in that it is very nearly tail-happy and the 369hp V-8 makes big power down low for great fun.

If the power gets boring, Kleeman makes a supercharger for the E55 that boosts power to close to 500 and nets out quarters in the 11's and uncorked top speeds of about 190mph.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2004, 06:07:58 pm »
Yowsa!  That's some power!  But John, can you honestly tell us that you believe an E55 of '99 vintage is a more reliable and cost-effective alternative to an '01+ 540iA?  That would really surprise me.

I've never driven the GS or an M45, but might be worth a little more consideration.  In fact, I hadn't even considered an M45, but they might make for quite a good value.  I found a few '03 in the GTA that are around the same price as an '01-02 540ia.  If you haven't yet tried one, it might be worth a shot (geez, with 340 hp, it's bound to be at least fun on on-ramps and passing!)  If you have tried one, please let us know your thoughts.

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2004, 06:44:06 pm »
The 1999-2000 E55's are actually well built cars and are no more costly to run than a 540i.  The downside is that there are no manual transmission versions, but for 540iA shoppers, the E55 offers an alternative.

Many of the E55 parts are "run of the mill" W210 parts, meaning they are E320 "affordable" but the car has giant brakes, great handling bits and 18" wheels and tires.  The interior mods are few, but worthwhile.  The seats are great, though the multi-tone leather is a bit over-the-top if you ask me.

The MB engine is super-strong and can handle the addition of a blower if the budget allows.  The chassis also easily handles the additional power, so the total cost is limited to the Kleeman unit.  There was a shop in Atlanta that did a number of E55 and CLK55 cars, and they shocked more than a few people by running 11's on the strip in a stock-looking Mercedes sedan. They also did a C55 conversion with an E55 engine and blower that ran low-low 11's.

But, I really like the looks of the E39 BMW cars, and think they're actually better looking than the newest models.  Dinan offer performance upgrades, but they're also very expensive.

I think it comes down to personal preference.  The E55 is one of the few E-Class MB's that is tuned for handling fun (instead of boring mild understeer) and offers 0-60 in low fives and the ability to slam into the 250km/h speed limiter.  The W210 Mercedes was actually lighter than the E39 BMW line up, and that really helped.  The MB also offers a very large back seat, if need be.

The 540 offers BMW pre-Bangle styling (muscular and powerful looking) and in silver or black, they are timeless cars that will look for years and years to come, no matter that BMW does with the latest hump-backed design.  It offer the 6M version, even if they do eat $2000 clutches with alarmingy regularity.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2004, 08:31:37 pm »
Where's Dave when you need him?  I believe their 6 spd 540i lasted through approx. 140,000 really, really hard kms on the original clutch before they traded it.  I didn't know that was a weak link.  Dave, can you confirm?

John, aren't the E55's considerably harder to come by than 540i's?  Might make for price premiums no?  I keep asking 'cuz I've never paid much attention to 'em.  Always liked what they stood for, but without a stick shift, it was a no brainer for me.

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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2004, 09:00:50 pm »
140,000 really, really hard kms on the original clutch before they traded it.

That's good life.  I have seen a few lease end 540i's for resale on the BMW lot with fresh clutches at less mileage than that.  Preventative maintenenace?  I wouldn't have thought so, since no dealer is in a hurry to spend money on a car for sale.  But, stranger things happen.

The E55's from 99-00 are starting to come down in price, and they are out there, thanks to the new W211 470hp E55-K hitting the market.  0-60 in 4.0-4.2 and roll on power than pretty much nothing can touch.  Well heeled existing E55 owners traded up in droves.  The same is true for the later R129 SL roadsters.  There are super clean 98-99's for decent (still lots for a used car...) prices since the new R230 SL has been a strong seller.

One nice thing about later AMG cars is that the ESP system is tuned much differently than on garden variety MB's.  This was not always so.  On my 95 C36, the ASR system, even when "off" would intervene at the worst possible moment.  What a kill-joy that thing was.  I loved the car until that rotten ASR clamped down.

Anyway, I talked to a mechanic I know that is on his second 540 (regretted selling it, bought another) and he indicated that though expensive to maintain, he thinks they're worth it.  The main problems (he's a BMW mechanic) he's identified on the E39 540's is...

1. Radiator failure (at the neck)
2. Cam position sensors
3. Wheel bearings

The plastic rad neck can break, and that means replacing the entire rad, which is a >$1000 job.

He gave me the link...

http://www.bmwtips.com/

For a BMW E39-specific forum and tips.

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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2004, 09:03:30 pm »
I read through some of the E39 forum, and clutch slipping problems seem to be a common topic of discussion.  However, some members seem to get great life, and others not so.  Could be dependant on the driver...

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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2004, 09:48:00 pm »
A car I never considered showed up in the paper - '02 MB C32 AMG.  Maybe worth a look ...  

Just want to say as a newbie to this forum that I appreciate the comments from you all.  There is obviously some experience and knowledge in your replies which can only benefit folks like me - thanks.

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2004, 11:33:03 pm »
C32 Would be a fun car too for sure (and again, our resident Benz expert [John] will be by shortly to offer insights on that I'm sure).  

I pulled out the March 2000 issue of Car and Driver (compares the E55 against XJR and M5) -- they complained in that article that the ASR still kicked in at inopportune moments prevent smooth, race-style cornering at the limit.  An E55 seems to be a class above a garden variety 540 in my mind's eye.  They stated that it was incredible fun though despite the automatic.

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2004, 11:35:22 pm »
A C32 would be really cool.  It's a lot smaller than a 5 series but it's a lot of engine for that size of car.  It's too bad they don't have a row your own tranny.

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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2004, 12:07:42 am »
Saw one parked outside the local grocery store the other day.  License plate read:  SAYBYBYE  very clever... and fitting!

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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2004, 12:46:37 am »
A guy in my neighborhood has one...not sure where he lives but it's silver and it sounds tres cool.